Intel presents New GPU Architecture and oneAPI for Unified Software Stack at SC19

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. asturur

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    So this first generation won't be for desktop at all? Is this what i should read in the presentation?
     
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    I think we're still going to see desktop hardware based on the first-gen architecture, but server models are going to be released first.
     
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    I think it says a bit about what Intel's focus is - it's about winning HPC and everything else comes second to that. That's probably also true of Nvidia to some extent, but they have the advantage of a long history of gaming gpu's so it's not hard to keep that ticking over. I can't see Intel coming at this cold having much hope with gaming if they aren't 100% focused on achieving that over everything else.
     

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    Dribble: that is true. Another thing is lots of Nvidia's developments for their HPC-focused cards, the ones with no video outputs, can trickle down to their video cards. For Intel, they don't have this cross-pollination going on. They have a long way to go and just a few very large customers are paying the bill.
     
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    Read: High Performance
     
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    Show me Intel's gaming partners, otherwise I'm not even going to take them seriously.
     
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    I dont know if anyone one on the market needing this, to wait for Intel to come up with something.
    Too much already covered by gpu makers.
     
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    Intel can post all the slides of 7nm they want. They can’t even get 10nm working. What a joke.
     
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    What do you mean? Having just AMD and Nvidia for discrete GPUs just isn't enough. There needs to be more competition. Nvidia is way too expensive and although AMD is fantastic for compute, their drivers aren't great and they don't have CUDA support (which most servers seem to use). I suspect Intel [at first] is going to be substantially cheaper than Nvidia while having the money to really push developers to use OpenCL and SPIR-V. Intel is pretty good at making drivers too.
    So, if Intel plays their cards right (and let's face it, they need to in order for this to succeed), they'll be filling a nice gap in the market that AMD can't provide and Nvidia won't.

    When it comes to gaming, things will likely be a little bit different. I think Intel is still going to be priced between AMD and Nvidia, but they've got a long way to go to get application-specific optimization profiles set up.

    I'm still convinced Intel's 10nm has been perfectly fine for a while, but the problem is it can't handle the high clock rates that desktop users and enthusiasts are expecting of their aging architecture. People want a new CPU that's actually an upgrade, and a 10nm i7 with a much lower clock speed is going to be noticeably slower. More efficient, but slower. That's why most of the 10nm products available are mobile and server chips, where nobody expects base clocks beyond 4GHz.
    That being said, GPUs normally don't go much higher than 2GHz and I doubt Intel's will be any different. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they will actually achieve 7nm.
     

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    if clockspeeds are the problem, then Intel have forgotten the things they have learned before.
     
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    @schmidtbag
    Meant for commercial stuff
    Those that would have the need for a relevant amount (as in sales), already have something as no one will stop and wait for intel to release something, as they most likely will lose more money delaying a project, than the higher cost Nv/Amd will have
     
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    Being that the first release of Xe is for HPC/AI....there would be no "gaming partners" involved. The first Xe based products are going into "Supercomputers".... Not everything revolves around gaming....
     
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    You know when you've been around too long and start stating the obvious? Then people look at you like "err, wtf are you on?".
     
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    Intel is going to be like Supermicro if they keep focusing only on servers and HPC.
     

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    Intel isn't focusing only on servers and HPC. Xe is still expected to be released as a consumer graphics card. They are just taking the most logical approach. Start with HPC and scale down.
     
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    I'll believe it when I see it. We'll probably see AMD's RDNA2 with ray tracing before we see a GPU by Intel.
     
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    Given past history, I have my own doubts as to Intel actually releasing a consumer graphics card. Rumors put launch in summer 2020 though. Given how much hype was built up around Larrabee and claims from Intel in regards to how advanced it would be....and it's final launch as an HPC only card.... I'm reserving my excitement for when Hilbert can post an actual review.
     
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    The problem with Larrabee was that the performance previews were so-so, but, within a very short time it became totally out-dated. Intel knew there'd be no consumer market for it so it was scrapped.

    My gut feeling is that if Intel actually had something they'd be screaming about it and hyping it up right now. The fact they aren't doing that gives me zero confidence. The Xe might as well not exist.
     
  20. -Tj-

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    There will be desktop too.

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