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Intel Optane DIMM: 512 GB at close to 8,000 US dollars

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. barbacot

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    So cheap??? Wow, good to know, on my way to buy the latest rolls I will stop by the pc parts store and fill up a bucket with these intel digital awesomeness!
     
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    Clawedge Ancient Guru

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    Is that all? I thought it was gonna be expensive. I'll take 4.
     
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    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    It should be more expensive. Intel is becoming cheap brand.
     
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    cryohellinc Ancient Guru

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    "Mom I need 512gb dimm for education"
     
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  6. Kaarme

    Kaarme Maha Guru

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    Mere candy money for true Intel fans and the American taxpayer.
     
  7. 386SX

    386SX Master Guru

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    Regarding Intel's own slides the bandwidth will be "half of current DDR4 DIMM modules" (funny / silly sidenote: mentioned was "7,5GB/s per Optane DIMM" (IIRC) and "15GB/s per DDR4 DIMM", which would result in us all using >>DDR4-1866 DIMMs<< ...) while energy consumption triples. So they threw out the argument about "density" ("how much GB of RAM can I put into my finite amount of slots"). Sure, I always buy memory and don't give a fu** about performance, especially in a datacenter, as mentioned.
    "Sure, we have your data, it will take a year and some months to output the stuff you want in comparision to the couple of minutes with any other provider, but hey: ALL IS CACHED IN MEMORY ALREADY!! This is top notch sh!tz directly off the shelf for you! Full 360° cyber spectrum technology with artificial learning capabilities and proactive self-healing!" :D

    ...

    TL;DR: REALLY?!


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    That means my AMD DUAL-channel 3200MHz setup (2 DIMMs with 25600MB/s = 51200MB/s total) is basically >>almost<< as fast as an Optane setup in OCTA-channel (8 DIMMs at once, so 8x 7500MB/s = 60000MB/s total)!!
    And an octa-channel setup with DDR4-4800 (PC4-38400!) would give you about 307200MB/s bandwidth (whoa! that is 307GB/s!) which would be equal to .... a bit more than 40 DIMMs of Octane memory, read and written to at the same time!
    Numbers are great! :D
     
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  8. waltc3

    waltc3 Master Guru

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    Isn't Optane a HDD caching scheme? Seems like you could buy lots of SSD's for $8k. Not 512GBs worth, of course, but then you wouldn't need to.
     
  9. 386SX

    386SX Master Guru

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    You would have to buy, say one of those PCIe addin cards with multiple M.2 slots on them (like ASUS Hyper Kit) and run them with 4x 2TB in a RAID0 config.
    Something like this: https://skinflint.co.uk/highpoint-ssd7102-bootable-nvme-raid-controller-a1925352.html
    With four of them: https://skinflint.co.uk/samsung-ssd-970-evo-2tb-mz-v7e2t0bw-a1809118.html

    ... and still cheaper than one Optane module.
    Downside: 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 "wasted", 5 points of failures (1 controller card and 4 drives), probably others I cannot think of (never had an Optane system, I only know the specs and some details).
     
  10. MegaFalloutFan

    MegaFalloutFan Master Guru

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    for the price of 128gb of optane ram you can buy real and faster DDR4 and have some money left, and server farms pay even less for ram since they dont use overclocked ram but 2333 and its dirt cheap
     

  11. tunejunky

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    lolz everyone is loading up on the comedy...and Intel deserves some stick...and this is the other shoe dropping after buying out Micron's interest in Optane.
    and yeah, simply ludicrous.
    but that's now and not five years from now.
    and although many geeks lust after, and will buy this, this is very much for data center...remember Intel's announce 12 channel memory.
    optane works fine as an ssd on AMD, even bootable...someone will make a work around. more importantly, the optane allows for a different form factor as well, but idk about cooling .
     
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    This is exactly what I was thinking of. If you get 2x: ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 and then RAID0 8x NVMe's or RAID1 one them with something like the new Evo 970 Plus drives at a 1TB a drive you would get insane speed and a bigger capacity for a fraction of the price:

    2x | x16 M.2 add in cards = 64.99 x 2 = 129.98
    8x | Evo 970 Plus 1TB = 249.99 x 8 = 1999.92 | total | = 2129.9
    8x | Evo 970 Plus 512GB = 127.99 x 8 = 1023.92 | total | = 1153.9

    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-MZ-V7S500B/dp/B07M7Q21N7/
    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...hyper_m_2_x16_card_v2_hyper_m_2_x16_pcie.html

    A 8x RAID0 Evo 970 Plus 1TB would be insane! At stock a single drive hits 3500 MB/sec reads and 33000 MB/sec writes which is faster than DDR4(I think) so in 8x RAID0 the performance would be off the charts! Also you cold always RAID5 9 drives to get the best of both worlds.
     
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    The new xeon cpu's support up to 5.5TB? of ram. This is where the Optane has it's sellingpoint. You can get one stick of Optane dimm memory with huge capacity. 128GB Optane stick is cheaper than one 128GB memory stick. 256 and 512GB sticks does not exist. In that way, it's possible to get more memory with Optane dimm. Optane dimm does not loose the data, when power is lost either.

    If you don't know what it is, you don't need it :p
     
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    Hmmmm...
    Sounds like a perfect solution for HANA systems, no?
     
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    Agreed--it's for data center use exclusively. Optane may well boot an AMD system as fast as an SSD, but price at that level is far superior in favor of the SSD, imo. Yes, it is definitely a temporary product. Still amusing, in its way. It screams of Intel under-engineering while over-pricing.
     

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    Does that Include the Stripper or no??? For that kind of money she better be wearing blue and white all over and I will be inside Intel this time. Hahaha.
     
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    I'll take 4.
     
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    who first child is sacrificed for such amazing price? ;)

    I get it for servers stuff in theory? but still
     
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    It would be really fun to play with. I've run a couple optane setups (just because i could really) and its a pretty good caching solution if that is what you are looking for. Are there better options for $8k, absolutely yes. Still, I wouldn't kick it out of bed if you were to give me one.
     
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    512 DIMM array to cut by half antimalware overhead and only for 8K$? This is what is wrong with your country..
     

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