Intel is working on Core i9 9900 KF Series that lacks iGPU, also B365 chipset at 22nm

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    It makes for a smaller die i suppose, if they really aren't binned versions of current CPU's.
    The Chipset is a clear step back though. They both show serious constraint at 14nm at Intel Fabs.
     
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    They should overclock like crazy without the garbage igpu
     
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    By removing the iGPU they would have more space for additional cores, but Intel being Intel who knows what they will come up with.
     

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    I would have thought that, but what TIM material will be used, on the K's at least i'd expect STIM.
    Also, for the same amount of cores, you'd have a smaller die area. Thats harder to cool than an unused GPU.
    It was quite a large portion of the Chip iirc.

    edit : on wikichip the die view shows its about 1/3 of the chip on a hex core i5.
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/coffee_lake#Hexa-Core
     
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    It's just the Only way that Intel can "Shrink" their CPU's to make more parts per Wafer :).
    AMD just Ripped their $$$$$ Business model.
     
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    These are rebadged Xeons, that much is clear.
     
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    Intel can sell more CPUs then they can make, so they try to make more. I don't think thats a particularly bad problem to have. :p
     
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    Looking forward to 32nm Silver pentiums
     
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    Why does Intel not already make consumer grade cpu's without the added waste of an integrated gpu?
     
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    Is there any person who wanna really buy this CORE I9XXX series??? Just their people that do know nothing of hardware x performance x dollar...
    RIP Intel.... ZEN 3 will be the end of line of this piece of hot, expensive and overpast processor to gain 10PFS on 1080P.... (fully ridiculus)
    ZEN 3 7NM 5.0GHZ (all cores) + DDR4 4.000MHZ = I9 KILLER
     
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    Reminds me of the i7 7740X from the i7 7700K lol

    If it helps with overclock sure that would be nice but if its the same and you're paying the same then no thanks.
     
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    Because in regards to CPU's, there isn't truly a "consumer grade" option.... Businesses use everything from BGA Celerons to Xeons, depending on their needs. Most businesses have no need for a dedicated GPU. There have been several CPU's released over the life of the "Core" series that don't have iGPUs though. They're usually released later than their iGPU containing counterparts and lack reviews.
     
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    actually the igpu wicks heat away and allows more heat to be transfered to the ihs. its not a huge difference but it actually helps overclocking.
     

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    This.

    Excluding the few engineers running AutoCAD, or some very particular people from Marketing doing Audio/Video work, noone needs a dedicated GPU tbh (using my workplace as an example).
     
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    current xeons also have igpu. basically the xeon on socket 115X are really just rebadged core chips so its more like the other way around. these are different i think. by cutting off the igpu you can make a 9900k for the same price as an 8700k (not counting solder of course and actually the 9900k would be a bit SMALLER) and the you can make that new 10 core for the same price as the 9900k

    oh and the big thing to remember. with no igpu these chips could be combined in 2's to make the next hedt lineup. a 2 9900ks for the new 18 core hedt chip? sure why not. 2 of those new rumored 10 core chips for a 20 core hedt anyone? actually they would probalby be symmetric. 2 6 core dies (they still make 6 core dies for the laptops and they are the exact same dies as the 8700k and such) or 2 9900kf dies or 2 9900kf's with 1 core missing from each for a 14 core etc.

    basically intel will make a ton of 6, 8, 10, and 28 core dies. 2 28 core dies with 4 cores fused off each for the new 48 core cascade lake ap chips 1 die for the cascade lake sp and 1 die for the new xeon w 28 core. then the hedt lineup will be 6,8, or 10 core dies combined. then you will have a 10 core i9 and an 8 core i7 and maybe a 6 core i5. or possibly they will keep the igpu on the 6 core chips and use them for laptops while they new i5 becomes 8 cores.
     
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    It's great outlook, isn't it. But I had 4C/8T i7 in notebook many years ago. Then they started to sell 2C/4T as i7. "The North Remembers"
     
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    Im baffled as to why they continue to even have igpus on whats clearly enthusiast grade CPUs. Anyone buying a 9900k is going to have a dedicated GPU already.
     
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    The 9900K is not strictly a "consumer" processor. As I said above, in the CPU market there is no "consumer grade" processor. Every customer chooses the processor that best fits their needs. Whether that be a BGA Celeron or a dual chip Xeon based system. In reality, the 9900K will end up in more business oriented systems than consumer oriented systems. The majority of businesses that opt for the 9900K, need the CPU cores more than they need a dedicated GPU.
     

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