Intel Desktop Roadmap 2015 to 2H 2016 Shows Broadwell-E

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    If Broadwell-E : Haswell-E = Broadwell : Haswell, I won't take much notice of this.
     
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    Lets hope it offers more over clocking ability.
     
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    Depending on how much multi-core will count with Windows 10 and DX12 I might think of getting an Broadwell-E 8-core, provided it works on X99 of course.
     

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    See with PCI 4.0 on the way and with all new HBM 2 , I am sure that will come handy with new GPUs. Thus , I am waiting a little longer .
     
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    Interesting, finally to put all that bandwidth to use.

    Anyway i may jump to Skylake later this year, maybe a new GPU first, we'll see.
     
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    I am definitely close to going 6 core now that DDR4 is heading towards affordable but yeah, I wouldn't if it's the same story with Broadwell-E as Broadwell. Unless Skylake-E is just round the corner, I expect Broadwell-E will be good.
     
  8. fantaskarsef

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    I see. Well, Skylake-E won't be around until a year from now, or even later (according to the roadmap HH posted).

    I, for my very own situation, can't say I regret my 5930K-build, since Skylake is way too long for me personally, Broadwell(-E?) doesn't offer anything I want (or haven't got with Haswell-E), and I feel ready for any dx12 multi core optimizations they're going to bring (which I'm not sure but might be limited to up to 8 threads anyhow, can't remember if this is just me making it up or if I've read it somewhere).
     
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    From all the DX12 benchmarks and info I've read, in respect to gaming, DX12 doesnt appear to scale up past 6 cores. So getting 8 cores might just be a waste of money right now but maybe in the future it will scale to 8 cores. Also since the benchmarks were from a month or two ago they may have made changes to allow it to scale up to 8 cores. The benchmarks were performed using a pre-release so I guess its still up in the air
     
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    What benchmarks are you looking at that show > 6 cores don't scale well?
     

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    Honestly people are speaking more and more about overclocking, and it confuses me a little. I understand we are hardware enthusiasts who like to tweak and get higher numbers every day. We like to gloat about what we've achieved, and what we plan on next. We constantly cycle out old for new, or modify the old to work as new.

    But what I am looking forward to in the future roadmap, CPU's that place efficiency over overclocking.

    Think about, say in 2 years Intel comes out with.... Cove rail core(Fun name for a fake cpu core!), stock clocks are only 2.5 ghz and average overclock is only about 400-500mhz on air. Uses a fraction of the power compared to say Sandy Bridge, and IPC performance is near 1.5 times Sandy Bridge IPC performance. I would take that over overclocking. Now I admit my example was a bit extreme, however that's just an example. :D

    Intel is starting to hit the same wall they did before with Conroe, you can shrink it and make the core clock higher but gains are very minimal.
     
  12. fantaskarsef

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    It's everybody's choice if they want to overclock or not... nothing keeps you from using your hardware at stock, and presumably at their most efficient settings.

    But efficiency in stock settings is improving anyway, and trust me, companies try to cut back on overclocking as much as possible in one way or the other anyway, as much as they can make it happen, or get away with it. Look at locked multiplyers.... no real sense behind that besides cutting down overclockability.

    If we all were after efficiency in the first place, we wouldn't be talking about overclocking, but undervolting :D
     
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    I don't think your example is very extreme. Remember what happened after Netburst? Conroe had processors with half the clock speed and about as powerful as the high-end Netburst. I wouldn't be surprised if Intel pulls another Conroe and we'll start seeing 2 GHz processors if AMD becomes competitive again.

    It seems to me that in the end, no matter what we do, we won't cross this frequency barrier. We have come a long way since Netburst where the highest processor was 3.73GHz and spewing **** (why is "l a v a" censored!?) out of itself. Indeed, we can overclock our processors to 4.5GHz with relative ease. But the wall is still there, considering 3.73 GHz was 10 years ago. Something else needs to be done. IPC is where it's at.

    ****? Why censored? Does "l a v a" mean something I'm not aware of?
     
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    8core broadwell-e is good
    but X99 from haswell-e still the best?
    i mean skylake z170 seems comparable to X99

    waiting 2017 for skylake-e is kinda to long tough ... hard decission
     
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    True, but let's look at Netburst. xIcarus proved a very good point with Netburst, you can have it clocked from 3ghz to 3.7ghz and see almost no performance gains. Just very hot temps!

    Overall I'm looking at performance per watt I guess. :D
     

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    so skylake is no better than my 4670k at 4.6 ghz and my z87 mobo combo? need honest opinions before i plan an upgrade.

    i can save mysekf a 1000 bucks and just get a 980ti or a fury instead of a full upgrade.
     
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    Absolutely go for the GPU upgrade, it's a no brainer.
     
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    Looks good yeah, if that's what you want (the all white look). Are there any white 980Ti's out though?
     
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