Log in or Sign up

Intel Desktop Roadmap 2015 to 2H 2016 Shows Broadwell-E

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 16, 2015.

Page 1 of 2

Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

Messages:

47,166

Likes Received:

15,890

GPU:

AMD | NVIDIA

A new Intel consumer Product Roadmap for 2015 and the first half of 2016 has surfaced on the web, courtesy to the XFastest forums. The new slides show the Skylake launch but has additional information...

Intel Desktop Roadmap 2015 to 2H 2016 Shows Broadwell-E

Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 16, 2015

#1
fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

Messages:

15,023

Likes Received:

8,652

GPU:

2080Ti @h2o

If Broadwell-E : Haswell-E = Broadwell : Haswell, I won't take much notice of this.

fantaskarsef, Jul 16, 2015

#2
shamus21 Member Guru

Messages:

144

Likes Received:

25

GPU:

0

Lets hope it offers more over clocking ability.

shamus21, Jul 16, 2015

#3
Solfaur Ancient Guru

Messages:

7,951

Likes Received:

1,474

GPU:

GB 3080Ti Gaming OC

Depending on how much multi-core will count with Windows 10 and DX12 I might think of getting an Broadwell-E 8-core, provided it works on X99 of course.

Solfaur, Jul 16, 2015

#4
Battlefieldprin Member Guru

Messages:

146

Likes Received:

2

GPU:

ASUS 780TI DC 2 OC 3GB

See with PCI 4.0 on the way and with all new HBM 2 , I am sure that will come handy with new GPUs. Thus , I am waiting a little longer .

Battlefieldprin, Jul 16, 2015

#5
Undying Ancient Guru

Messages:

23,614

Likes Received:

11,124

GPU:

XFX RX6800XT 16GB

Battlefieldprin said: ↑

See with PCI 4.0 on the way and with all new HBM 2 , I am sure that will come handy with new GPUs. Thus , I am waiting a little longer .
Click to expand...

Interesting, finally to put all that bandwidth to use.

Anyway i may jump to Skylake later this year, maybe a new GPU first, we'll see.

Undying, Jul 16, 2015

#6
southamptonfc Ancient Guru

Messages:

2,592

Likes Received:

610

GPU:

Zotac 4090 OC

fantaskarsef said: ↑

If Broadwell-E : Haswell-E = Broadwell : Haswell, I won't take much notice of this.
Click to expand...

I am definitely close to going 6 core now that DDR4 is heading towards affordable but yeah, I wouldn't if it's the same story with Broadwell-E as Broadwell. Unless Skylake-E is just round the corner, I expect Broadwell-E will be good.

southamptonfc, Jul 16, 2015

#7
fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

Messages:

15,023

Likes Received:

8,652

GPU:

2080Ti @h2o

southamptonfc said: ↑

I am definitely close to going 6 core now that DDR4 is heading towards affordable but yeah, I wouldn't if it's the same story with Broadwell-E as Broadwell. Unless Skylake-E is just round the corner, I expect Broadwell-E will be good.
Click to expand...

I see. Well, Skylake-E won't be around until a year from now, or even later (according to the roadmap HH posted).

I, for my very own situation, can't say I regret my 5930K-build, since Skylake is way too long for me personally, Broadwell(-E?) doesn't offer anything I want (or haven't got with Haswell-E), and I feel ready for any dx12 multi core optimizations they're going to bring (which I'm not sure but might be limited to up to 8 threads anyhow, can't remember if this is just me making it up or if I've read it somewhere).

fantaskarsef, Jul 16, 2015

#8
drwoodcomb Member

Messages:

28

Likes Received:

2

GPU:

GTX 980 Ti 6GB

From all the DX12 benchmarks and info I've read, in respect to gaming, DX12 doesnt appear to scale up past 6 cores. So getting 8 cores might just be a waste of money right now but maybe in the future it will scale to 8 cores. Also since the benchmarks were from a month or two ago they may have made changes to allow it to scale up to 8 cores. The benchmarks were performed using a pre-release so I guess its still up in the air

drwoodcomb, Jul 16, 2015

#9
theoneofgod Ancient Guru

Messages:

4,677

Likes Received:

287

GPU:

RX 580 8GB

drwoodcomb said: ↑

From all the DX12 benchmarks and info I've read, in respect to gaming, DX12 doesnt appear to scale up past 6 cores. So getting 8 cores might just be a waste of money right now but maybe in the future it will scale to 8 cores. Also since the benchmarks were from a month or two ago they may have made changes to allow it to scale up to 8 cores. The benchmarks were performed using a pre-release so I guess its still up in the air
Click to expand...

What benchmarks are you looking at that show > 6 cores don't scale well?

theoneofgod, Jul 16, 2015

#10
vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

Messages:

15,142

Likes Received:

1,742

GPU:

GTX 1080 Ti

Honestly people are speaking more and more about overclocking, and it confuses me a little. I understand we are hardware enthusiasts who like to tweak and get higher numbers every day. We like to gloat about what we've achieved, and what we plan on next. We constantly cycle out old for new, or modify the old to work as new.

But what I am looking forward to in the future roadmap, CPU's that place efficiency over overclocking.

Think about, say in 2 years Intel comes out with.... Cove rail core(Fun name for a fake cpu core!), stock clocks are only 2.5 ghz and average overclock is only about 400-500mhz on air. Uses a fraction of the power compared to say Sandy Bridge, and IPC performance is near 1.5 times Sandy Bridge IPC performance. I would take that over overclocking. Now I admit my example was a bit extreme, however that's just an example.

Intel is starting to hit the same wall they did before with Conroe, you can shrink it and make the core clock higher but gains are very minimal.

vbetts, Jul 16, 2015

#11
fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

Messages:

15,023

Likes Received:

8,652

GPU:

2080Ti @h2o

vbetts said: ↑

Honestly people are speaking more and more about overclocking, and it confuses me a little. I understand we are hardware enthusiasts who like to tweak and get higher numbers every day. We like to gloat about what we've achieved, and what we plan on next. We constantly cycle out old for new, or modify the old to work as new.

But what I am looking forward to in the future roadmap, CPU's that place efficiency over overclocking.

Think about, say in 2 years Intel comes out with.... Cove rail core(Fun name for a fake cpu core!), stock clocks are only 2.5 ghz and average overclock is only about 400-500mhz on air. Uses a fraction of the power compared to say Sandy Bridge, and IPC performance is near 1.5 times Sandy Bridge IPC performance. I would take that over overclocking. Now I admit my example was a bit extreme, however that's just an example.

Intel is starting to hit the same wall they did before with Conroe, you can shrink it and make the core clock higher but gains are very minimal.
Click to expand...

It's everybody's choice if they want to overclock or not... nothing keeps you from using your hardware at stock, and presumably at their most efficient settings.

But efficiency in stock settings is improving anyway, and trust me, companies try to cut back on overclocking as much as possible in one way or the other anyway, as much as they can make it happen, or get away with it. Look at locked multiplyers.... no real sense behind that besides cutting down overclockability.

If we all were after efficiency in the first place, we wouldn't be talking about overclocking, but undervolting

fantaskarsef, Jul 16, 2015

#12
xIcarus Master Guru

Messages:

990

Likes Received:

142

GPU:

RTX 4080 Gamerock

vbetts said: ↑

Honestly people are speaking more and more about overclocking, and it confuses me a little. I understand we are hardware enthusiasts who like to tweak and get higher numbers every day. We like to gloat about what we've achieved, and what we plan on next. We constantly cycle out old for new, or modify the old to work as new.

But what I am looking forward to in the future roadmap, CPU's that place efficiency over overclocking.

Think about, say in 2 years Intel comes out with.... Cove rail core(Fun name for a fake cpu core!), stock clocks are only 2.5 ghz and average overclock is only about 400-500mhz on air. Uses a fraction of the power compared to say Sandy Bridge, and IPC performance is near 1.5 times Sandy Bridge IPC performance. I would take that over overclocking. Now I admit my example was a bit extreme, however that's just an example.

Intel is starting to hit the same wall they did before with Conroe, you can shrink it and make the core clock higher but gains are very minimal.
Click to expand...

I don't think your example is very extreme. Remember what happened after Netburst? Conroe had processors with half the clock speed and about as powerful as the high-end Netburst. I wouldn't be surprised if Intel pulls another Conroe and we'll start seeing 2 GHz processors if AMD becomes competitive again.

It seems to me that in the end, no matter what we do, we won't cross this frequency barrier. We have come a long way since Netburst where the highest processor was 3.73GHz and spewing **** (why is "l a v a" censored!?) out of itself. Indeed, we can overclock our processors to 4.5GHz with relative ease. But the wall is still there, considering 3.73 GHz was 10 years ago. Something else needs to be done. IPC is where it's at.

****? Why censored? Does "l a v a" mean something I'm not aware of?

Last edited: Jul 16, 2015

xIcarus, Jul 16, 2015

#13
slyphnier Master Guru

Messages:

813

Likes Received:

71

GPU:

GTX1070

8core broadwell-e is good
but X99 from haswell-e still the best?
i mean skylake z170 seems comparable to X99

waiting 2017 for skylake-e is kinda to long tough ... hard decission

slyphnier, Jul 16, 2015

#14
vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

Messages:

15,142

Likes Received:

1,742

GPU:

GTX 1080 Ti

fantaskarsef said: ↑

It's everybody's choice if they want to overclock or not... nothing keeps you from using your hardware at stock, and presumably at their most efficient settings.

But efficiency in stock settings is improving anyway, and trust me, companies try to cut back on overclocking as much as possible in one way or the other anyway, as much as they can make it happen, or get away with it. Look at locked multiplyers.... no real sense behind that besides cutting down overclockability.

If we all were after efficiency in the first place, we wouldn't be talking about overclocking, but undervolting
Click to expand...

True, but let's look at Netburst. xIcarus proved a very good point with Netburst, you can have it clocked from 3ghz to 3.7ghz and see almost no performance gains. Just very hot temps!

Overall I'm looking at performance per watt I guess.

vbetts, Jul 16, 2015

#15
TyrantofJustice Ancient Guru

Messages:

5,003

Likes Received:

26

GPU:

RTX 2080 super

so skylake is no better than my 4670k at 4.6 ghz and my z87 mobo combo? need honest opinions before i plan an upgrade.

i can save mysekf a 1000 bucks and just get a 980ti or a fury instead of a full upgrade.

Last edited: Jul 16, 2015

TyrantofJustice, Jul 16, 2015

#16
Solfaur Ancient Guru

Messages:

7,951

Likes Received:

1,474

GPU:

GB 3080Ti Gaming OC

TyrantofJustice said: ↑

so skylake is no better than my 4670k at 4.6 ghz and my z87 mobo combo? need honest opinions before i plan an upgrade.

i can save mysekf a 1000 bucks and just get a 980ti or a fury instead of a full upgrade.
Click to expand...

Absolutely go for the GPU upgrade, it's a no brainer.

Solfaur, Jul 16, 2015

#17
TyrantofJustice Ancient Guru

Messages:

5,003

Likes Received:

26

GPU:

RTX 2080 super

ok but to complete my all white build do u think it is ok to switch from the gigabyte z87 udh4 to this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132414

plus a gpu?

TyrantofJustice, Jul 16, 2015

#18
Solfaur Ancient Guru

Messages:

7,951

Likes Received:

1,474

GPU:

GB 3080Ti Gaming OC

Looks good yeah, if that's what you want (the all white look). Are there any white 980Ti's out though?

Solfaur, Jul 16, 2015

#19
TyrantofJustice Ancient Guru

Messages:

5,003

Likes Received:

26

GPU:

RTX 2080 super

or should i go with this board? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...130862&cm_re=msi_krait-_-13-130-862-_-Product

TyrantofJustice, Jul 17, 2015

#20

(You must log in or sign up to reply here.)

Page 1 of 2

Share This Page