Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Dec 13, 2019.
Intel tells this story on slides from 2013
And you eat all the nonsense
I would like to see this, in 10 years lets see how true this slide is
good to see they have a provision for backporting designs, in the event of node failure, dont really know why they didn't have that before, 14nm icelake would have been much better than skylake 6.0
That´s not exactly true. Intel has a new CPU arc and they have already released but only for laptops:https://www.anandtech.com/show/15092/the-dell-xps-13-7390-2in1-review-the-ice-lake-cometh
Also this arc has been ready for at least 2 or 3 years, the problem is that the same arc is tied to their broken 10nm process and because of that it´s being continually delayed for desktop. Intel really dropped the ball with their 10nm process.
Intel...selling you the 10nm lie since 2010
That's an article from 2012 "Intel: We know how to make 10nm chips"
It's still not "doom and gloom" for Intel. Even though they really botched up their 10 nm node to the point of cancelling 10 nm desktop processors, they've managed to keep their 14 nm node competitive on the performance front, even with restricted transistor budgets, so their x86 CPU market share is still above 80% at this point.
DYI enthusiasts like me are disappointed by the recycling of the same architecture and lack of exciting new features, but it's no different than the last 10 years, when AMD was unable to come with competitive CPUs.
If Intel also botches their 7 nm node in 2022, which will result in another round of supply shortages, that would become a real problem; by then, Zen4 shall arrive with DDR5, PCIe 5.0, and AVX-512 on the 5 nm TSMC node, and OEMs will be already tempted to switch to AMD.
But even if they botch it, backporting to previous nodes is the new backup plan for Intel - which starts with the porting of 10 nm Willow Cove architecture to the 14 nm Rocket Lake in 2021, with improved IPC, PCIe 4.0 and TB3/USB4.
There are all indications that Intel learned from their mistakes though, and it doesn't seem like AMD is counting on them making further mistakes either.
That 10 year plan is laughable
I rather like to see a 5 years plan, more affordable prices for CPUs without security holes.
Oh, wait, that's AMD.
Hay guise, I have 1.4nm bridges to sell, sign here.
achieving a smaller tech and being able to sell it (because of ISO requirements and others) are two different things, in reality it takes 1-1,5 year to validate a FAB before you're even allowed to sell products, I don't know of any big companies which accepts "no quality insurance" dies, not sure it would be even legal
anyways just to say what you already know, it's completely unrealistic
Intel for the next 10 years...
Yeah I can see it
I'll believe it when I see it.
What will be over?
Them being the gaming king
still wont mean that ppl are willing to pay the premium anymore.
and by that time, more will switch from lower res to 1440/2160 and the difference between the 2 brands will get less.
im done giving more money to intel at same/less compared to what amd has.
what do i get for 200$ from intel cpu wise? yeah...
Next Spring, $200 shall get you a Core i5-10500, CometLake-S with 6/12 cores running at 3.2-3.4 GHz.
That would be similar to a $200 Ryzen 5 3600 - though probably not as profitable to make.
except, i (can) have the 3600 now, incl pcie 4 and 3 nvme slots (x4).
Next summer, for $200 you can probably get a Ryzen 4600, which will be 8/16 at 4/5 GHz. That's the hope anyway. You notice I moved up the core count?
Sure, I already said that Comet Lake S offers nothing interesting for the DIY enthusiast - but at least there will be price parity for the same number of cores.
Zen 3 is coming by end of 2020 with improved IPC and frequencies, but Rocket Lake S with similar improvements is expected by Summer 2021.
So AMD don't have to pack more cores to stay competitive on the desktop.
HEDT and server processors are different though, and the new Socket sTRX4 with a total of 88 PCIe lanes most likely means additional cores for Epic Milan (64/128, and up to 96/192??).