Intel Could Fight off AMD Ryzen 5000 just based on lower prices

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  1. deksman2

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    Intel is simply not worth it if you ask me.
    Outdated manufacturing process, large power draw (aka inefficient due to very high clocks Intel is pushing on an older node) and not quite as good performance-wise (especially in multi-threading).

    Besides, if a person already has an AMD system with a proper mobo, chances are they can upgrade to Zen 3 assuming their mobo manufacturer provided the needed BIOS.
     
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    I'm having a really hard time deciding if i should go with the 5800 or 5900... I know the 5800 will be more than enough for 4k gaming BUT the price gap is not that big lol. 1st world problems.
     
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    I've just been looking at a review for the 10700 but what stood out the most was the 1080p performance between different AMD CPUs. There really isn't much of a difference between many of the Zen 2 parts, perhaps the same will happen for Zen 3. The 5600X could become the go-to CPU for gamers. I hope $300 doesn't translate to £300, though. We'll see...
     
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    Not all customers. The shift to working from home, no travel costs, no childminder fees has left some people with a lot more money in their pockets. People who hold Amazon stock will also be feeling pretty rich right now.

    'Luxury' hobby items like electric guitars are flying right now as evidence of this.The 3080s as well.

    Supply and demand... And there will be plenty of demand from all over the world for the fastest CPUs, that's for certain.
     
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  5. tty8k

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    In 4k gaming you won't see much difference from a intel 9k series to a 5900x, or a ryzen 3k series for that matter.
    Check for yourself how cpus scale at 4k.

    Money wise, 5900x is the best value (performance/dollar) also a good investment if you plan to hold onto it for a few years.
     
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    But to get a Z490 which is anything above poverty spec you have to spend more and then you wont get the added bonus of a newer gen product which uses less power and generates less heat not to mention PCIE 4 which is not included in the current Intel CPU spec so you will need a new CPU to get that, bottom line is AMDs products are currently better, you would not expect to pay more for a Skoda than an equivalent Audi well its the same with the CPUs AMD is the new Audi for now
     
  7. Francesco

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    I'm not surprised at all by the new AMD pricing, I was fearing for an even bigger price premium in all honesty.

    If what AMD claims will be true, they will have an all around best CPU, not only that... they also secured partnership with both Sony and Microsoft for the new consoles. New games will be developed with AMD cpus on the main test table, and console players will se AMD logo here and there which will help brand recognition.

    Basically, even if their market share is minor compared to Intel, they are in a very strong position.

    It would be foolish for them to not price their new CPUs for what they are, the best you can get.

    Zen2 pricing was much more aggressive because people were still suspicious towards them, things started to change with Zen2 and when security holes started to pop up like candies in Intel.

    AMD is perceived in a very different manner compred to 2-3 years ago, hence the price difference.

    As long as there will be real innovation (and not an offending +2-3% like in Intel years) I will be happy to pay new CPUs for what they are worth.
     
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    You don't spend more on a decent z490 than a b550, based on amazon pricing.
    Price wise I have to agree 10700k is in a sweet spot right now, for an 8/16 overclockable cpu.
     
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    The Z490 competes with the X570 as its the top of the stack
    doing it by price
    https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi...-crossfire-realtek-gbe-usb-32-gen2-aplusc-atx
    https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asu...3-dual-m2-crossfire-intel-gbe-usb-32-gen2-atx
    both the cheapest ATX sized boards without sale offers so intels boards still cost a bit more
     
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    "The most important data he mentions is price: it seems that we will have an Intel Core i7 with a cost below $400 dollars. He indicates that the price could settle around $349 or $379"

    Excuse me, what? i7-10700K 8/16 MSRP was $374. So it is already priced below $400 - and is currently sold for $350 at Microcenter. And do not forget that with the higher MSRP, AMD will have the option to lower prices by the time of the RL release. Not to speak of the fact that it is enough to buy a B550 for any Ryzen to get memories working with higher frequencies, whereas with Intel, you need to buy a Z490 to get 2666+ MHz memories working.

    Ryzen is assumably getting the gaming CPU crown from Intel in a month.
     
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    The VRM's on that x570 would fall off the board if you used it with any real workload and 5800x (woul likely draw about 150W). The VRM on the ASUS however is much beefier being a 10+2.
     
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    Yes, I'm feeling pretty confident (though not 100%) that 8c/16t is all you need for gaming for the foreseeable future. However, I still don't expect Intel to be the budget option. I'm sure the 5700X is going to be cheaper than whatever Intel makes. The 5800X is already cheaper than the 10900K. Besides, Intel has too much of an ego to be considered "the budget option". They may be losing this battle but they're still winning overall
    That being said, people complaining about prices don't seem to have much of a reference point.

    I don't see history repeating itself. Tech enthusiasts are very wary of Intel's history and previous lawsuits have set Intel up for failure if they attempt this again.
    That's probably why Intel has resorted to more desperate measures in marketing lately, like dismissing certain benchmarks or saying "it's the platform that matters". Mid 2000s Intel would've handled this situation very differently.

    Sorry but I really hate this sentiment. If you're facing hardship, one of the last things you should be doing is investing in an expensive hobby, especially something as fruitless as gaming. Yes, everyone needs something fun to uplift their spirits in such times, but you don't need the latest and greatest CPU for that. Ryzen 5000 ostensibly has impressive performance but you can get a 3000 series or Intel 10000 for a good price and good performance.
    This is consumerism at its worst.
     
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    That's why people will buy the cheap/affordable one, bad times to add premium plus to pricing. Gaming wise, 9th or 10th gen are better than 2000 or 3000 series, so maybe AMD wont gain as much market share as they want.
     
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    I can confirm this.

    What? It's just as credible a statement as any Twitter leak.
     
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    Everyone's talking about the new processors at the high end. Do try to keep up.

    The problem isn't the price, it's not enough SKUs to cover different market segments, people just lack the vocabulary to explain that. If you slotted a 5700x in at 349/399? 8 cores 4.5ghz or something? People would instantly be happy. The disappointment is the missing product in the 300-400 range. Customers feel like they have to spend more than they want to get 8 cores, or compromise on 6.

    Prices themselves aren't a problem.
     
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    My point is, higher premium or not, it's a bad time to be buying a gaming PC if you're affected by lockdowns. Those who are struggling are irrelevant in the eyes of any company releasing a new product, because those people are more worried about maintaining a roof over their heads or having something to eat every day. Trust me, AMD adding $50 to these CPUs is the least of these peoples' concerns (or ought to be). So - since these people were not a viable market to begin with, I don't see how the price increase is affecting them.

    I understand the gripe about the price increase (though, I also don't think it's that big of a deal, since it's still cheaper than Intel) but I don't think we should be using lockdown victims as a crutch over something so unimportant.

    AMD's market share shouldn't be affected much at all. If anything, it was priced this way because they predict their market share will be going up.
     
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    https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Z490-M...rd&qid=1602596344&sprefix=z490,aps,147&sr=8-6

    This one is decent enough and it's 129.9 pounds. Pretty much as a b550 board.
     
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    If you are on a bugdet but still want 8 cores, unless all of the sudden they disapper from the market, you can still buy a Ryzen2.
    A 3700x, which will probably cost even less after 5000s go live, is still a very good cpu, or would you call it crap just becasue there's a 15-20% faster one at an higher price? By the time Ryzen2 will start to be scarce on the market, AMD will have probably released a 5700 to fill that market segment.
     
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    Be careful everybody, it´s a trap!:D

    More seriously, this should be the logic move from Intel but i really doubt that they are really going to lower their prices. They know that people only have two choices so there´s little incentive to lower prices...
     
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    Am waiting till March then deciding. The thing that put me off Amd Cpu's is overclocking. 9700k would be my pick if I had to choose right now but the last Gen Ryzen does look good. However arent we getting new mobos and more pci bandwidth?
     

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