Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Sep 3, 2013.
I'm good with my "980X" for a while yet.
Only the memmory is impressive. Other than that not much of a reason to upgrade from my 2600k.
Don't bother he would complain if his balls were stuck in a gold vice. Look at his rig he complains about how expensive these enthusiast parts are then goes out and buys the most expensive ones he can find.
By th way were is that one guy I was talking to that said there is no way intel will price an IB-e cheaper than the 4770k? How's that crow taste?
There is also the fact that down the road if you feel the need you can always look for a deal on a 4930k giving 4820k users an extension path (rather than upgrade) for the future. I agree, while Haswell's IPC might be slightly better, the limitations of PCIe lanes, memory bandwidth, and heat due to the IHS far outweigh the little advantage it has with IPC. There is also the fact that it isn't jerry rigged with a PLX chip like the z77/87 chipsets have been. So the latency upon addition of another one-two GPUs encountered with the PLX chip wont be so on the x79 platform.
Kind of like the 3930k, sure it's single threaded performance isn't as good as Ivy or haswell but it's by no means bad and i'd gladly trade some single threaded performance (we're talking 5-10%) for two more cores. Currently i don't do anything but game, but we're looking to a multi-threaded future the new consoles are evident of that.
Since i'm going multi-GPU either way thinking of selling my 3570k and G1.Sniper3 to go X79. Might just go the yard and get the 4930k and be done with it.
Agreed as well, for gaming CPU test i think Crysis 3 should become somewhat of the standard until something else comes along.
On what planet do you guys live?
With Haswell, Intel was able to decrease power usage by an insane amount while keep the speed either the same or faster even. Increasing battery life in notebooks by over 40% is not something that to be sneered at. It's insane to think that a dual core Haswell is more power efficient than the A6X (ARM based) CPU in the iPad4; if that is not "groundbreaking" to you then you have ridiculous expectations.
Guess what, the enthusiast market doesn't drive decisions at a $111 Billion dollar company, sorry.
I knew the performance was going to be similar to the core I7 3960X so no problems there but i was expecting a better overclocking potencial. Can´t wait to see the OC results of the 4820K that seems to me to be a very interesting chip and cheaper than the 4770K!
Also i think i´ve noticed two small mistakes on the 4820K article:
In page 2 says that the 4820K is a quad core chip with 15mb of L3 cache but the chip should have 10mb of L3 cache.
And in page 5 says that the 4820K is a six core chip capable of handling 12 12 threads...
A great article as always!
While I don't exactly like Intel, I think this CPU is a lot better than this article gives it credit for. The problem, as weird as it sounds, is it's pointlessly good. The tests aren't that impressive because nothing can push it hard enough. The quadruple memory channel made more of a performance difference than the extra 2 physical cores, which might mean that memory is actually the bottleneck for a CPU like this.
I would have to say I'm not impressed with the power consumption. For intel, I thought it should have done much better.
Thank you, at least there are still people here with some common sense.
The 4820K is a no brainer for me when compared with the 4770K, I shall be going with a second 7970 soon once the 9970 is announced, priced, and dated and we get performance results in. So the 4820K is the better option anyway.
This is still an IV-B part, not Haswell.
Even saying that, you are talking about 50% more performance and only 9% more power usage than an AMD FX-8350; just to put stuff into perspective.
And just to put stuff into perspective once more, x6-7 times the price.
In Hilbert's review we can see a few things are a bit off about the CPU(I hope 4930k fares better). A few are the OC potential, the Power Consumption and a little bit the Temps.
Edit: And on a side note, most of us that know even a little about marketing and how the market works, the customers/buyers like/prefer to buy a new thing entirely than refreshes/revisions/improved products.
Almost all of us like to buy new when we can.. So we won't say "FFS I just bought 2 weeks ago" when told "Did you see the new and improved 3770k?".
Because we will justify it, with: "Well, its a new platform/CPU, so of course it will be faster/better". So no dissapointed customers. Just customers that want the new faster platform/CPU.
So although I complained earlier I gave it some thougth and I personally understand their "need/reasons" to provide an updated/improved product every year. Even if its just a 10% increase.
People who are buying in the 2013 Holidays would prefer to buy the all new mighty 4770k, than a 3770k with 10% faster IPC/iGPU right?
Great articles, Hilbert.
As you've said there's little incentive to upgrade, so I am good to go for a while. The industry has some catching up to do to live up to Moore's Law.
That is some crazy fast memory read/write speeds that is more then double the read/write speeds I get on my triple channel 1600mhz on my i7 920 @ stock.
These new cpu are seriously tempting me to make new build.... But I Still not about to do that, only game I have that I play that plays bad on my build is swtor, damn never everything else I play is 60 fps solid.
Yeah, those read/copy memory numbers are off the chart.
Here's a comparison to a email@example.comGhz and memory 2400mhz@11-12-11-24-CR1 timings.
yah i need to stop reading all that is makes me want to upgrade when I have no reason. those numbers are just crazy. And the day developers actual give correct multi core support for everything I expect the even crazier numbers
Haswell might of not been the huge jump the "minority" the enthusiasts crowded expects from next gen but the power usage is amazing. great for laptops people user and the people that think gaming is good idea on laptops seeing heat just cant dissipate fast enough them, but useless for desktop seeing most dont care about power consuption on desktops ,but frankly intel has nothing to lose but lowering power consumption on the cpu, they are already running circles around amd in raw power
Although I'm not and I shouldn't complain since I'm on a 4.6 3770K, I know what you are saying since I went straight from a C2D E4500 to a 2600 and shortly after that to my 3770k. That was an improvement.
But if I had gotten a 2600K I wouldn't had upgraded to a 3770k/4770k. Neither the 2011 CPU's. I just got the 3770k because I didn't really "want" the non k 2600 I had.
And tbh I loved that CPU because I showed me the biggest different when I went straight to that from the C2D.
I'm of those users that upgrade if possible every 2-3 years. But I will make an exception and my next upgrade will be a 8c/16t CPU(best bang cpu like 3930k/4930k) hopefully next year with H-E/X99.
Well, all we can do is wait..
Having a hard time waiting though :3eyes: i really want to scrap my z77 build and go X79 because in the long run those 2 extra cores will be more than beneficial, as will the bandwidth capabilities.
Great review. im surpised I thought it would do a lot better than my current 3930k was really looking forward to an upgrade but I might give it a miss after reading the reviews.
And my 3930k clocked at 4.6ghz 2133mhz 9-12-12-28-c1
there not much in it... I was hoping this new chip would be a great overclocker. but I guess only time will tell!
cant say I am all that impressed tbh, the memory bandwidth is out of site though
Meh. If I can get 4.6GHz out of my 4930K, I'll be happy. I wasn't expecting overclocking miracles with IB-E anyways. Time to play the silicone lottery. :nerd:
You 3930k owners you....