Hey I'm not arguing against facts, as i pointed out, in the graph you showed only 2 outliers for intel were over target by a considerable margin, and many were under, the graph also showed none of AMD's current lineup, which is what i was talking about, the fact still stands both the 9900k and 3800X use roughly the same power load. Both AMD and Intel currently show inaccurate figures for TDP, TDP itself is pretty much a made up number anyway as i was saying in some of my other posts, gamers nexus did some great videos on how its actually calculated. Just trying to shine some light on actual numbers of current products you can go and buy right now, because a lot of people on these forums seem to think everything AMD makes right now uses way less power than Intel, where that is just not true, in their current lineup many of the processors from intel and AMD with the same core counts have very similar power draw, that changes somewhat when getting into the higher core count parts, where AMD is definitely more power efficient, but not so much at 8cores or less. Also as i stated, that's not saying that this new processor is not going to use a lot of power, it most definitely WILL use a lot of power, probably more than the 12 core AMD part. AMD's 3800x, 3900x, and 3950x all list 105W TDP though, so considering the 3800x is already over that, you know the 3900x and 3950x are all going to be over that as well so even if they are more efficient than Intel's new processor it still doesn't change the fact that the listed TDP doesn't match up with actual power draw. As Astyanax pointed out TDP doesn't actually mean power draw anyway so i guess neither company really needs to have to have it match up with actual power draw, still doesn't stop people comparing it to power draw though, which is fair cause as the gamers nexus videos and articles pointed out TDP numbers don't really mean anything. Both companies need to stop with the bullshit and just list idle wattage, single core wattage and max wattage on the spec sheet and maybe an average of those as default TDP, instead of the current TDP number which means next to nothing for both companies current range of CPU's. Just make the numbers plain and visible to everyone so all these stupid arguments can stop.