Intel Core i5-13600K ES3 Raptor Lake 14-core CPU tested

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. Ven0m

    Ven0m Ancient Guru

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    I know that these CPUs get faster and faster, but I can't see the energy efficiency improvement. It's not there!
    If we divided compute by energy used, perhaps it wouldn't look that bad. And I'm more than ok with short-term boost. It's awesome! The compute demand nature is spikes. Why wouldn't CPU design address that?

    But high-end CPUs suck a lot of power. E cores are just a name to show them as "less power hungry" furnaces which P cores are. GPUs get more and more power-hungry too, if not more, just to be 1st. And the rest follows. One can see that even by temperature increase in their home. Having said that, I want games to look good on my rig, and run butter smooth without hiccups. Unless game and hardware designers address transient frame render time spikes, I feel like even despite said all that, I'll fuel this madness
     
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    nizzen Ancient Guru

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    Well, my 12900k have 40-50% more fps per watt in cpu bound games than my 5950x. Both running max tuned memory.... just saying....

    Looks like I'll throw out my 5950x to put in a 13600k :p
     
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    And you're gaming at 720p on a 3090 ....
     
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    Kool64 Maha Guru

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    the real reason this works is because they get rid of HT which has been a bit of a double edged sword for AMD and Intel alike for some years. Hopefully the price is right on this gen.
     
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    TLD LARS Master Guru

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    The 5950x is a wasted CPU for gaming to begin with, of course a 13600k is better at gaming, because half of the 5950x is just waiting for work anyway.
     
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    They're both a waste for gaming. Unless you're into pissing contests of who can get the highest possible frame rate, a 12700F is plenty good enough and not overpriced.
     
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    Kool64 Maha Guru

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    to be fair my sisters i7 980 is still "good enough" for gaming. I gave it to her with a modest 4ghz OC after replacing it with a 1600X. I actually miss the machine myself. I love X58.
     
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    on Intel, it bothers me that I have to change the motherboard every six months. This minimizes the lifespan of motherboards and CPUs, which I think is neither ecological nor economical.
    intel does not show any dizzying progress and constantly forces motherboard manufacturers to make new changes.
    the overall performance of ddr5 vs ddr4 is nothing dizzying due to the lower bus width compared to ddr4.
    Compared to 10 gen eg 10600kf do I have to invest in ddr5 and motherboard?
    A lot of customers who bought 10 gen will surely wait for Intel to arrive with better price and power per watt.
    intel cpu temps are dizzying compared to amd.
    and consumption as well. I see no reason to invest in another motherboard and ddr5 again after a year.
    everything runs smoothly on my i5 10600 kf
     
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    nizzen Ancient Guru

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    Wrong!
    5950x was the best AMD cpu for gaming before 5800x3d came.

    Best binned cores for higher boost clock. Best oc potential. Often good imc for high memory oc.
     
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    I doubt Intel has needed to force the mobo manufacturers into anything, in that particular regard. They ought to be happy to be able to sell increasingly more expensive motherboards to consumers year after year. Sometimes twice a year. It's their business ecosystem. If you really could use the same mobo for multiple generations of CPUs without really gaining anything significant by switching to a new mobo, it would ruin the mobo manufacturers' financies. The CPU manufacturers need the mobo manufacturers as well for their own business, so they won't backstab them. AM4 was probably as far as it could go, with the last gen offering PCIe 4.0 as an incentive.
     
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    Why do you need to upgrade cpu every 6 months?
    Most people with 4770k/4790k had cpu for 5+ years.
    Raptor Lake will use ddr4 too :)
     
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    nizzen Ancient Guru

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    3440x1440 mostly
    1080p 360hz on some fps shooters.

    We all know you only play CandyCrush on a old phone. Sorry about that :p
     
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    Lol
    I actually squeeze this 3070 on 4k 144Hz hence I care more about video card.
    CPU in my case brings pretty much nothing.
     
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    So Intel 12600k is less power used and P-core 4.9 GHz E-core 3.6 GHz .. but the 13600k has more boost speed P-core 5.1 GHz E-core 4 GHz and use more power, sounds to me like Intel just oc the 12600k
     

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    Show me

    The average oc on HWbot is a little higher on a 5800x then 5950x, but practically the same.

    Splave has run both a 5800x and 5950x, he topped out at 6ghz LN2 on both of them.

    Why would a 5950x have better memory overclocking when the memory controller is on the IO chip?
    The max frequency should be locked to the fabric 1:1 if you want max performance, so why does it matter?
     
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    Pretty much every 5950x has better binned cores than lower models. No need to show it, because everyone knows it (exept you aparently)

    First rev og zen 3 tend to have better binned "infinity fabric" than lower models. The trend was there.
    Why on earth do you think ln2 results has anything to do with what I talk about?

    I overclocked with ln2, an I can say that ln2 is changing the rules. You want the samples with the most power leak. They often scales better with "voltage" on ln2. Read; the worst samples for air cooling.
     
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    The average overclock of the 5800x and 5950x is still the same on HWbot, they include a good deal of air and watercooling too.
    Guru3d overclock had practically identical frequencies and voltages in 5800x,5900x and 5950x launch day review.

    LN2 overclocking is not about getting the most leaking CPU, It as about getting the best scaling one as you also say, this is what the ASUS score is all about, higher score = better scaling (mostly)
     
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    That's why I roll my eyes when I hear people focusing so much in gaming performance for the CPUs ,if you do not target 240hz or more . It does not matter , if someone running a 3070 or 3060ti ... Again it matters a lot less because the cards become the bottleneck way before a 3090 .... Literally almost any random CPU from the shelf paired with a semi decent 120-144 Hz freesync monitor will give you nice fluid gaming . Everyone is a l33t mlg pro 360 sniper no scope nowdays :p
     
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    nizzen Ancient Guru

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    Everyy guru is like 60hz v-sync 58fps locked nowdays...

    Imagine under 144hz monitor in 2022! Hello 2010 :rolleyes: 144hz 1080p came ~2012

    Even the mouse pointer is lagging like crazy on a 60hz monitor. Don't even talk about scrolling up and down in a browser. Cringe :confused:
     

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