Intel Core i5-12600K outperforms AMD Ryzen 5 5600X in CPU-Z Benchmark by Huge Margin

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    The war is coming ( i12 vs ryzen4 / 3+) don't panic.
     
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    I wonder how it translates to gaming performance. its 10 core cpu vs 6 core CPU , if it wouldn't eat it by huge margin it would be complete disaster.

    Following months will be interesting.
     
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    Do we know if the low power cores are actually ACTIVE when the high power cores are maxed out? Just curious if it is an IF THEN situation or ALL cores can be enabled to handle more work loads? OS on low power core while games or high power apps on high power cores might be a good thing instead of HT or SMT.
     
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    2nd Paragraph, 2nd Sentence, should read Windows 11?
     
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    I'm going to take this as a hint that there's substance to these leaks.
     
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    As far we know , when 100% load all cores are pushed to max ( Thus very high multiscore). As of now we can't tell what numbers would look like : 6c big alder vs 6c Zen3.
     
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    I saw rumors about this being $269 .
    I have my doubts it will be that low, I expect more like around $300.
     
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    It should depend on the conditions (resolution etc) and game itself.
    We had this before, Ryzen 3800x vs 5800x while in synthetics there was significant difference in many games that was smaller or nothing.
     
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    I'm having a tough time imagining a 20% increase in IPC won't translate into gaming performance. Especially in CPU bound titles. There was a huge gap between the 5800X and the 3800X in CPU sensitive titles. I don't remember the benchmarks off the top of my head, but at 1080p it was something like a 40% increase in CS:GO, almost 30% in SoTR. These gains were off a roughly ~17% in IPC. If these leaks are true, and at this point I don't think Hilbert would be posting them if they weren't right on the money - ADL will destroy Zen 3 in these titles.
     

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    The gains were not only from IPC but memory and cache sub systems which we know games love.
     
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    6 cores is still the sweet spot in gaming. The 12600k new arch, IPC is what will put it ahead in gaming vs 5600x, not no. of cores.
     
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    There are some titles where it would make a big difference.
    I do hope it will make a big difference in all games to be honest.

    I just have my reservation when it comes to 2k or 4k gaming.
    https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_5600x_review,24.html
     
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    As I've been saying over and over again (but nobody seems to believe), the small/efficient cores aren't useless. So, to say that a 10-core CPU heavily outperforms a 6-core is kind of like saying water is wet.

    Except most games hardly take advantage of 8 threads, so even if Intel removed 2 performance cores, it probably wouldn't perform much worse in games.
     
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    for budget builds
    11400f was available for 170eur,it's closer to 200 now but that is still a massive price raise to charge 300usd for a six core
    as much as I think rkl is a wasteful launch,I'm not gonna recommend a 300eur six core over a 190eur one,even if it does beat 5800x.
    also,buying adl-s involves buying ddr5 at launch prices when 4600 c19 ddr4 kits sell for 100eur.

    https://geizhals.de/g-skill-ripjaws-v-schwarz-dimm-kit-16gb-f4-4600c19d-16gvke-a2523647.html
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    so cpu-z is now reliable again as benchmark? no more nerfs?
     
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    when was a point based system ever reflective of real world performance
    ever
     
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    I bet this is an exceeding TDP situation where the smaller cores are turned on even while the larger cores are maxed out. Its going to be interesting to see what benchmark/power shenanigans are going to go on here. See the Oneplus 9 pro fiasco where benchmarks showed crazy performance because they were white listed to move certain processes to certain sized cores but real life didnt reflect.

    This is speculation based on nothing but you got to ask how its going to decided when it uses smaller cores vs larger ones.
     
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    Not necessarily for budget builds, but if all you're going to do is nothing but play games then 6c/12t is currently all you need. If you're not streaming or doing a bunch of other crap in the background, spending more isn't going to yield better results.
     
  20. cucaulay malkin

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    yes
    you need a 6c/12t,that is the basics.
    I'm glad you agree that basic things can't cost premium.
     

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