Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Mar 30, 2021.
Too much waste on energy can power 40 cores from dual 2698v4 why build this power hog
I've yet to see power numbers in gaming
so far in every review ive seen they're only reporting stress test/mt,and they are not only bad,they are scary for a six core.I wonder how much difference there will be in gaming.idle power consumption is way up too.some report as much as +15-20w extra power usage in idle
found one on pcgh.
20 game average,system power conumption in watts.
yeah,i'm not touching this.+70w difference 10700 to 11700.
seriously,if you wanna go with intel for a gaming system,10700,10850,10900 are still great options at current prices.They're efficient for home/gaming system too.This backport backfired.Performance is good,especially price/perf on 11600kf.But the power it requires.... It's acceptable on 11600 if you're gonna game and looking for a decent value option,but really,10th gen i9 is a better option than 11th gen i7.
11th gen i9 shouldn't even exist.
Price in case of CPU is always platform price. That means one needs to have MB, adequate RAM and cooling solution. Then there is actual cost of ownership due to electricity.
Let's say one uses it for 2 years only (to not penalize intel's higher power draw). You can calculate electricity cost difference in your country as you know approximate gaming time spent per day. And other workloads.
another reason to go with r3000 or 10th gen 8 cores.see the charts I posted above from pcgh.
very good gaming performance
cheap, you can have an 8/16 for 260eur and unlocked one for 290eur
very good power efficiency for gaming/home use desktop
unlimited ram oc
good gaming pefromance,adaquate for high refresh gaming though not the best out there
still very affordable,280-310eur for 3700/3800 but both overclockable
great power efficiency all round,slightly higher on desktop but within reasonable limits
limited ram speed,but at this price point only 10th gen is better.11600 limited to 3600 in gear1 mode and 5600x starts at 320/330eur.
don't even mention electricity cost here.I nearly crapped my pants when I got the bill,there's been a +50% increase and more are coming.
I'm thinking about a new,titanium/platinum psu,it'll more than pay off in 10-12 years time.desktop power draw is also very important to me,and there's nothing out there that sips less power on desktop than locked comet lake sku. I'm averaging below 10w package tdp in my normal work.
AMD did not release more economic (lower clocked) chips from Zen3 series. I wonder if they ever will.
My guess is that instead of bigger price reduction over time, they'll release 5700X when 5800X sales start to tank. That way they will protect increased price tag.
AMD went for higher pricing because they had better chips. But "forgetting" to release more economical versions is bad for us.
That all makes you right. Newest may be greatest, but not necessarily when all factors are considered.
If it was not for effect of C19, people would have their money priorities elsewhere. And those magical "Sold Out"s would not be all over internet for so many products.
But that comes at price paid by other markets where people stopped pouring money.
r7 5700x at 350 would be nice.
in the end,whether you like blue,red or green,you should spend your money accodring to your very own economic interest.
lmao I get better temps (at 5.0/4.8GHz) for prime95 stresstesting with AVX on my delidded 8700K from 2017.
Yeah yeah AVX 512 I guess, yet, holy crap Intel, this is pathetic.
It's hard to understand how these products can get a "Recommended" stamp. I know it's mostly symbolic and out of politeness, but the situations when one person should buy Intel are close to null in 2021, sorry.
Last thing, I don't get the people that complain the Ryzen's are not in stock. I can constantly find them in Romania, and the prices, while high, are not that bad.
294EU for both CPUs here. Both in stock. No issues.
Looks like i pushed my 4770K upgrade further, to Alder Lake.
might as well wait for zen 4
That i wonder. I think we will see Alder first. It might be game changer for Intel
not for what I want from it
It would be good for market, best competition we ever had. With normal availability it is better wish for Intel success. Unless amd will continue intel path. Stagnation with high prices
they'll continue to overprice new stuff,especially with lower nodes,memory and pci-e
you've seen what amd did with r5000,and what intel did with rkl.expect more.
if they are both good they will both sell in volumes,at big premiums.what has rdna2 competition brought ? first $1K amd gaming card ever.mid range at $500.
you know what they say
kurwa kurwie łba nie urwie.
No thanks, i had my experience with a 5800X, no more AMD for me.
Your experience surley represents anything Please bro
It does not look well but at least we got bigest progress in CPU market ever, there is much more choice than ever was.
kurwa kurwie łba nie urwie -, No nie, jak juz ludzie przyzwyczaili, to nie sądze ze intel bedzie znacząco podcinal AMD jeżeli beda miec podobny produkt , jak Alder lake okaze sie hitem to pewnie dowala wieksza cene niz AMD za Zen3 sobie liczy teraz.
shhh... you might get firebombed. these guys are dead serious
My experience with AMD cpus, Durons, Athlons, Palomino, Barton, was disastrous on too many fronts. So when I finally switched to Core 2 Duo, it felt like finally having a proper platform.
Maybe it was me, maybe chipsets, maybe mobo, maybe RAID, maybe Windows (hmm yeah Linux was nearly indestructible) maybe the constellation of stars was not right. Like I managed to convert Athlon 850 into Duron. And when my Barton PC finally became stable, the mobo died on me. Think I lost 2 mobos during sleep mode. Sleep was like bleeding edge back then...
Chipsets were the big problem with AMD,
SiS were all crap with broken integrated gpu's
VIA couldn't make a AGP 8x controller that worked properly (across 4 chipsets (400, 400a, 600, 800) and i think it even had a problem with the AGP voltage at one point.
nforce 1 wasn't all that great, nforce 2 then ranged from great to mediocre because of component quality issues vendor to vendor (Asus had a great board but ****** it up using bad caps that burst/leaked), gigabyte had decent to average stuff but opted for decent caps),
and then whether certain CPU features were present and enabled were left up to those vendors (many boards didn't have Stop Grant, Halt or Bus Disconnect so your cpu was always running hot) then there was pci latency deviations from board to board because of some bords being cheaper and using longer trace routing than others (instead of more pcb layers).
My last AMD CPU prior to X570 and 3900X has been Phenom X4 965 Black Edition and that CPU lasted a bit till I got X58 and i7-920 C0 then got D0, then went with i7-750 ans again to X58 and X5670 and X5690 lately went with 4790k(bug mistake, hated that CPU hahaha) and then X99 which was one of the my worst mistakes, got BSOD almost every day, didn't play nicely with mixed multiple GPUs etc
Currently I've X570 and 3900X, to the date didn't have one BSOD, RAM are working at 1800 FCLK with 3600MHz with 4x16GB G.SKILL TridentZ Neo 3600MHz and run previously there RTX 3090 with RTX 2080Ti Strix and Zotac RTX 2080Ti AMP or rather 3*GPUs setup with 13*HDD's etc, right now I'm very happy and no issues to the date
If I return back to Intel, let's see, I'm in position to test multiple CPUs like 10900k or 8700k or 8086k or 9900k because I'm building PC for people or friends and comparing all the time
Hope this helps
mu duron,athlon,athlon xp were pretty trouble free iirc
At the price the 11600 goes ... In my eyes making the 10700 a default no brainer choice ! Is it just me ?