Intel Announces Its 10th Generation Core Processors "Comet Lake-S" (with flagship Core i9-10900K)

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  1. NCC1701D

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    I think you're research stopped at Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series for the memory part. You also don't need a 400 dollar x570 board to get the most out of Ryzen, they have much cheaper options that work fine, I got mine for 105 and it runs my 3700x just fine.

    I'll explain the value proposition and why I went with AMD over Intel for the first time ever this past year. I spent a total of $405 on a 3700x, mobo, and it came with a CPU cooler. The comparable 8/16 Intel CPU when I built my rig cost $439.00 at it's cheapest point and often sold for more. On top of that 439, you're going to have to buy a motherboard, and a CPU cooler that will increase the price. I put that money toward a better GPU so that I would get better performance for the dollar. My goal wasn't to build the cheapest PC I could, it was to save money in areas that mattered less for my target resolution of 3440x1440. I did this so that I didn't wind up with a lesser GPU that would have given me worse performance even with current "best" gaming CPU at the time, the Intel 9900K. Could I have gotten 1-5 more frames in anecdotal benchmarks at my res if I went Intel? Maybe, but I wouldn't notice that difference and I would be stuck spending more to get there or have worse performance with a lesser GPU for my budget. Make sense?
     
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    True story!

    I have 3900x @ 4300mhz all core , and 9900k @ 5200mhz all core. No problems with either setups. Like I said: Noobs allways has problems :p
     
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    " If I take the 10900K as an example, PL2 now is 2 times PL1, so 250W. That PL2 state now also is longer, 56 seconds. And therein reaps the benefit of additional performance, substantially. "

    I'm surprised nobody commented on the PL2 wattage. That 250w PL2 is very high. This chip will need a heck of a lot cooling to perform its best.
     
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    I tend to land in number 3 for CPU's and number 2 for GPU's.
     

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    Does anyone think the existing high end coolers won't be sufficient? If you're buying a top-end Intel chip that doesn't come with a cooler, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect you'll also buy a good cooler like the NH-D15 or similar. So long as a good cooler keeps it from throttling, who cares about the heat output?
     
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    Bought a EK waterblock and 2x 360 radiators years ago. Still good enough cooling for anything overclocked. 250w is no problem :)
     
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    So.... about the same as my BW-E clocked at 4.5ghz but with more cores.
     
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    Look who actually started it, my friend. The AMD fanboys. A product they never had any intention on giving a chance or buying.
     
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    To me the 10700k seems an interesting choice.
    Depends on street price of course.
     
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    You mean like how Intel fanboys always comment on AMD products that they wouldn't touch with a hundred foot pole? ;)
     

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    If I had to buy a cpu tomorrow a 10700k would be up there in my choices as it's probably the fastest cpu I can afford (most intensive thing I do is game so don't need millions of cores). That said only if I can air cool it, if it needs stupid cooling I'll pass.
     
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    The question is if you are going to play Prime 95 with AVX all day long, Cinebench or play actual games. Or just watching twitch :p
     
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    No, ryzen 3000 needs too 3733mhz ram clock to have good performance, and you can get it only with x470 and x570 motherboards, 10700k with z490 and standard 3200mhz probably will spend less and give you 15% performance better

    If youre using the ryzen 3700x on cheap motherboard, sorry but your boost clock are reduced and you cant get the good memory clock sync on 1:1, maybe youre losing 10% or more performance
     
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    3733 RAM is the optimal configurations but it doesn't mean you absolutely need it for "good performance". From what I've seen, the difference is minimal between 3200 CL14 and 3733 CL16.
     
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    From my experience: I'm doing desktop computers from 1997 and sometimes monitored the actual power drawing of a CPU compared to the advertised TDP. Of course that AMD FX series was consuming a lot more than Intel but not more than 125W or 140W as declared by the manufacturer. My current system contains an Intel Core i5-6600K running stock all core turbo 3.9GHz and consumes max 95W (Thats the CPU consumption under heavy stress with AVX). Now, a couple of months I made a system with Intel Core i9 9900KF and I used a Riotoro Bifrost 120ti water cooler and I was thinking that is enough to cool down a 95W CPU. Well it is ok, it is keeping it in the 60-65C when under full load without AVX. With AVX the CPU goes in full load to about 85C. I don't see a problem in that either but, there is a BIG but... in full load without AVX the CPU it's drawing 165W and in full load with AVX the CPU it's drawing 220W. And I was wondering why the BIOS is having the default option for max power consumption set to 255W. The test was made using Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool and monitored with HWMonitor. Well I understand what TDP means but maybe, just maybe my typical usage is video encoding or big data rendering and I'm using all core mostly. But even in typical gaming the CPU consumes 120-125W. This 14+++ node was made for 4 cores max 6 cores with HT or 8 core without HT. That's just what I'm thinking. It is true that a 8700K or a 9700K (I made systems with both of these CPUs) are not so power hungry but both goes beyond advertised 95W but not like an i9. Actually think about it: same manufacturing process and a 6 core like i5-9600K consumes 95W and i9-9900K 8 core with HT consumes the same 95W. Well, believe me, these new i9s Intel CPUs will consume no less than 200W in full load without AVX. Good luck finding the right cooler.
     
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    I'm running 3800c14 on my 3900x on Asrock x570 taichi.
     
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    My Ryzen 3900x says hi to you at 4932Mhz on a three years old x370 motherboard with ram at 3800Mhz cas12 :D , ( you said it only does it on x470 and x570 motherboards ) , you are so wrong i do not even know where to start correcting you lol, i'm sorry but you are completely blind by shintel :p . Ram at 3200~3600Mhz is absolutely fine on 3xxx cpus.

    I think Intel did good lowering the prices this time around , competition is a great thing , we all benefit from it :)
     

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    That's not been the case for a long time. Intel had the superior product stack. There was no point in beating on the 2nd tier, AMD. Now that AMD is more competitive, the revision of history begins and you may see more of that. Just like now, nobody using Nvidia is really trolling AMD GPU threads. What's the point?
     
  19. WalterDasTrevas

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    In my view, only fanboys still defend Intel, since it is a company that charges a lot for "digitally colored black and white CPUs". More of the same.
     
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    Well obviously... Everyone knows this was yet another refresh of an old architecture. If AMD fanboys didn't buy 9th gen, 8th gen, 7th gen, or 6th gen, why would they buy 10th gen?

    If this was a 10nm product, I'm VERY sure people would take this a lot more seriously. But as it stands, this generation isn't noteworthy. In fact, if you have a 1155 platform, it's actually unappealing because you need a new motherboard.
     
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