Intel 8th Gen Coffee lake Processors Will Be Hard To Get - Availability Dramatic

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  1. Embra

    Embra Maha Guru

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    Sounds like they wanted to try and slow down Ryzen sales.

    Good performing cpu though, other than the temp, power usage and mobo requirements.
     
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    One thing I think Covfefe Lake is doing for Intel is moving their core count up for future platforms. This is the first time an i3 will be a quad core, i5 is a 6 core, and i7 standard is 6 core HT, and so on and so forth. So they weren't really going for better IPC per say, but more going for making a higher core count for their platform the standard.
     
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    I'm feeling a lot less embarrassed now. :) I'm on an i5-2500k also since 2011.... though with no overclock. Same Noctua 14 triple fan beast (rpm is set to medium to keep quiet), and gaming diff is my well-cooled Zotac GTX 1060 6GB as linked, and bought a couple of weeks after release for $225.
     
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    Yes, and seemed like a semi-desperate move in view of how much they bumped up their roadmap (this was supposed to come out in 2018, not 2017). Still, let's see how long it takes them to start moving stock before judging. They do have the means to ramp up manufacturing. In the camera world, this sort of wait after 'launch' is standard.

    http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/processors/
     

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    Newegg has it in stock as of this writing, for $189.

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117824
     
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    Kind of funny: When Ryzen launched, motherboard availability was a problem but CPU availability was fine. When Coffee Lake launched, CPU availability was the problem but motherboard availability was fine.

    I am trying to make sense of why availability is a problem. Here's what I've come up with so far:
    * Sometimes, demand for products becomes higher when they're scarce. It makes the product seem more valuable and desirable.
    * Coffee Lake was released earlier than intended - perhaps the main reason for waiting was just so there would be sufficient supply.
    * Since Coffee Lake isn't noteworthy architecturally (the extra cores and performance-per-dollar is certainly better than KL), maybe Intel predicted it was going to be a lot less popular. But Intel has a bit of an ego problem, so I find it hard to believe they'd expect a product they made (let alone something people have wanted for years) to sell poorly.
    * By slowly releasing the product, CL will get more attention (case in point: this article). Supply issues doesn't say anything negative about the product itself, so as long as attention is drawn to it, Intel is fresh in people's minds.
    * Due to competition, Intel doesn't like that they have to charge less than they normally would. If they "arbitrarily" decrease the availability, that increases the value of the product. People who want CL are going to get it no matter what; if they waited this long, they're not going to buy something else. In the long run, Intel will in turn earn more money.
     
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    Yeah I don't get it... why custom build a PC with a K series CPU and a nice heatsink but not OC after all this time?
     
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    I didn't realize how much AMD frightened Intel! The Coffee Lake paper release proves it. I'm so glad Intel now has some serious competition. How long would we have waited for "mainstream" hexacore CPUs from Intel. And at "mainstream" prices, no less. Competition is a beautiful thing and long overdue.
     
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    Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.
     
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    The 8350K is a stupid buy anyway. What you should order instead is the i5 8400.

    i3 8350K here in Sweden: 1790 SEK, 4C/4T, sure it's unlocked but.
    i5 8400K here in Sweden: 1890 SEK, 6C/6T, the base clock of 2.8 GHz may look low but the all core boost is 3.8 GHz and the single core boost is 4.0 GHz so don't view it as a 2.8 GHz chip but as a 3.8-4.0 GHz one.

    Ryzen 5 1600 by comparision is 2055 SEK, 6C/12T for sure and boosts up to 3.6 GHz and I guess you can OC to 3.9 or whatever.
    So it has HT over the Intel chip but the Intel chip has the more efficient codes and game code for it.

    Overclocked i3s I'd say has always been a bad buy.

    i5 8400 perform about as well as i7 7700K, in Linus tech tips test it ran games about as well as the 8700K which cost twice as much. Right now the 8700K is only worth it vs the 8400 for productivity loads or overclocking.
     

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    Not sure they are holding out, more like they are pre-mature on the release. They can't fill supply, but want to have something out so buyers may wait.
     
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    I figure part of Intel's strategy is to sell a bunch of Z300-series motherboards now such that, come Q1 2018, when Ryzen+ processors hit the market and Coffee Lake is finally available in quantity a number of consumers will already be saddled with Intel motherboards.
     
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    The extra cores is worth it for anyone buying into the platform relative the older stuff.
     
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    I never tried New Coke but I heard it was a legitimately better product from those who weren't biased or afraid of new things. The reason people got in a hissy-fit was because they didn't like that it was different. People hate change. Coke was trying to make a product that appealed to a wider audience. For the record, I prefer Pepsi, but Coke didn't deserve the crap they got.
    Anyway, what Intel is doing is very different from what Coke did. In fact I'd say it's kind of the opposite: Intel is doing too much of the same things they've always done, and in technology, evolution is a necessity to be successful, or at least relevant. In terms of strictly numbers, AMD may have an overall worse product but they're showing much more progress and their future looks promising. So, I don't disagree that Intel may be trying to clear inventory or may be too arrogant to admit mistakes, but I think the real problem is they're getting too cocky about their decade of success and it may backfire.
     
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    Indeed. Most people buy their motherboards first, then sit around and wait for a CPU they can use it with. I did this with my car. Bought the steering wheel, and then waited for the rest of the car to be delivered.
     
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    Tell him to get i5 8400 and he'll be happy.
    Only because the i7 8700K cost TWICE that of the i5 8400.
    Compare Ryzen 5 1600X vs i5 8400 though and it become less exciting.

    I do some (average) UserBenchmarks numbers (i5 8400 vs Ryzen 5 1600X) for the sake of it:
    Single core: 125 vs 110, 8400 +14% vs 1600X
    Quad core: 486 vs 404, 8400 +20% vs 1600X
    Multi core: 723 vs 922, 1600X +28% vs 8400.

    So of course the 1600X wins the multi-core test but in games (and AVX and cache and memory performance?) and price it won't.

    The i5 8400 is the greatest chip they released. Half price of 8700K and basically just lose HT and OC, very similar performance to stock i7 7700K at lower power consumption and price.
     
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    I think you mean: Tell him to try to get an i5 8400, but in reality wait, wait some more, then keep waiting, until one day he'd finally get an i5 8400.

    But no, I won't tell him that. I won't tell anybody serious to get a locked CPU unless it's for a special purpose. I wouldn't get a locked CPU for my main desktop myself, so it would be iffy to recommend one to someone else. His hardware needs are no lesser than mine, he just doesn't invest the time to follow the scene.
     
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    I seriously doubt that Kaby Lake stock is an issue here. If they really wanted to get rid of such a surplus, then they should have reduced prices on those and release Coffee Lake later...

    The whole Z370 platform is so typical Intel, I'm pretty sure all of these CPUs could have worked on Z270 and a "Z390" with a supposed mainstream 8 core would have made much more sense later on.
     
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    Wow, 20 days. And even when they get more stock there's no telling how much they'll get (it'll probably go out of stock again after a few minutes). Paper launches always suck.

    To anyone looking to get Coffee Lake this year, all I can say is: good luck.
     
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