Hi guys, I want to ask you something in regards to gaming. How low input lag has to be, in order for you to enjoy gaming? Before I had monitor with 12ms input lag, and after trying monitor witch 0ms (old CRT) I was surprised how much difference in games it makes. Before I didnt liked CallOfDuty that much, but right now is totally different game . here's some list with gaming monitors (lowest input lag monitors). http://hubpages.com/technology/Top-Gaming-Monitor But HDTV's are another thing, because input lags are MUCH higher compared to PC monitors. From time to time I like to connect my console (and even PC to HDTV) and play games witch gamepad, and this is what I've noticed. 40ms input lag on HDTV was too much for me even on gamepad (and today many HDTV has even higher input lags!!!). I was surprised, but I had to use 16ms HDTV (I had very old plasma) in order to finally enjoy games on gamepad (FPP but even TPP games like tomb raider, gta5 or gears of war). On this 16ms HDTV I could finally track objects with gamepad analogs with precision, while on 40ms I had problems with that. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag And here's interesting list/link, because very few HDTV's can offer 16ms and even lower input lags. So most people buy HDTV's with even higer input lags, and for some reason people still enjoy gaming on them .
With a HDTV and console gaming using a controller for input kinda masks the input lag quite a bit. Also a LOT of games are only 30fps so your looking at 33.3ms between frames anyway. I've stopped playing a lot of consoles games as 30fps just sucks. I've gotten to the point were if it's not 60fps I won't buy it. I've tried a few times to play PC games on my HDTV and usually end up playing with a controller. Using a mouse & keyboard I just notice the lag too much and my HDTV is around 30-35ms input lag afaik. I do miss CRTs for the low input lag and amazing contrast ratios... it sucks nothing has come along to match that in a slim profile.
I guess I'm not that picky since I wouldn't notice a difference between 30ms (HDTV) and 16ms (Computer monitor), maybe I'm getting old
i have a smart samsung tv 6400 series i play bf4 multiplayer on it no input lag whatsoever i connect it throuhh hdmi and i renamed the tv as dvi pc. i dont notice any input.
I'm with LuckyNumber8. Input lag is one of those things that you don't know you notice until you try out a really low input lag setup. I know it's controversial, but I believe most people would live just fine with 30 fps on PC if the input lag was really low. So far, I've not seen one PC setup that can come close to how 30 fps on consoles feels, and even there you should always go for a low input lag HDTV. Also, it's not just your setup, the game also comes into the equation. Some games have low input lag and others are just ridiculous. A perfect example of this was the Witcher 3, which had a very noticeable reduction in input lag with a patch, as many of you probably remember. This topic I fel is kind of tabu in PC gaming, and something that is not being adressed at all by the industry. I remember that with Nvidia, massive input lag was introduced when GPU scaling is enabled with some 2**.** drivers, don't know if the issue was ever fixed, since it's really hard to measure at home, especially since people keep upgrading their systems.
On HDTV I always play with gamepad and you right, gamepad masks inputlag problem. But still I could see inputlag problems on 40ms display even on gamepad . I was really surprised, because TV reviewers most of the time say, that 40-50ms is good for gaming (Yaaa sure thing) When I bought my previous HDTV's I didnt even cared about input lag problems at all. But for somereason I thought, that games arnt as fun as they used to be on CRT era . I thought, that maybye I'm getting old for games, but right now I'm 100% sure, that input lag was to blame. One day I have connected my xbox360 console to my old CRT monitor just to see how colors and contrast will look like... but at the same time I started enjoying games again thanks to low input lag. For example, before I never liked playing gears of war on HDTV (I bought that game just because of the graphic aspect)... But on CRT that game is a blast , different game when you can aim with precision and track "Locusts" movments with analog thumbstick 60fps is important factor, and so If I can choose I will aways play 60fps game over 30fps version. But as you say, I can still enjoy games even on 30fps if only HDTV has low input lag (my old plasma with 16ms for example). I also have CRT tv for retro console gaming, and even gta5 on xbox360 (24-30fps) feels responsive on this tv (while on 40ms HDTV that game was unplayable for me). Maybye it's individual thing, but for me 12ms on my old PC monitor was way too much. I had problem traicing moving objects with mouse movements
Same, I always try to aim for 60fps or higher, sacrificing quality, but I still enjoy playing Halo 4 (360) on my monitor, it still feels very good. I'm sure that if I was playing Halo 4 on my PC at 30 fps I just couldn't do it, since there's way more input lag using the PC, even if the monitor is the same.
You might not notice it, but that TV has about 44ms lag even in game mode or renamed input to PC. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/h6400 I have the H7150 which has about the same at 43ms lag. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/h7150 The lowest input lag Rtings found was on the Vizio M series (2015) at 18.5ms. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/input-lag
Console games feels a little bit smoother at the same framerate. But I think there's a reason for that. For example I belive things like MSAA and higher resolution can cause additional input lag, because on my old monitor (12ms) in unreal tournament 2003 I could feel the difference after swithing from low resolution to fullHD and MSAA on (but maybe that difference was Nvidia driver related, I dont know). For example if I will use nvidia inspector and limit framerate to 30 (without Vsync), I can enjoy very old games (like enclave from 2003) the same as console games at 30fps. It's only new games with "heavy" graphics that feel unresponsive with the same 30fps lock.
30-50ms is about average for most HDTV. That amount of lag doesn't bother most people, especially for console gaming. My friend got one of those Vizio M series sets and they really are excellent as far as lag goes... it's a shame soo few HDTVs are below 30ms though.
That sony HDTV's from my link supposed to have 15-20ms input lags. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag BTW0 I wonder when we will see OLED dsiplays in PC market? I would want to buy 26 OLED fullHD panel with Gsync, 1-4ms input lag, and perfect picture aspects (contrast and colors). I would even play console games on it, not on HDTV anymore
Just saying, I noticed that performance (fps, and a high hz low input lag monitor) indeed made me play better over night. Personal experience if you go from a no name monitor and 30-50fps to a 144hz monitor with fps towards the monitor's top end.
I switched from a TV/monitor hybrid with a reported GTG response time of 5 ms (in reality I'm sure it was much higher) to a 1 ms "pure" monitor just recently. The difference is remarkable. Not only because of virtually no input lag but noticeably less screen ghosting or tracing when moving. The registration is instant and the image stays sharp (to an extent) in motion too.
That is not input lag. That is just how fast the pixel can change color. Higher GTG ms results in image ghosting, not input lag.
When I switched from a TN monitor to a PLS (measured at 5.4ms in reviews) my precision and times in racing games took a dive, it took me weeks to adapt to the new input lag. I wouldn´t touch a TV for other than casual, slow paced games.
To be honest, I don't feel any lag when playing on LG 55 LB730V and the input icon is changed to PC, using HDMI. The other display I use is Acer and I feel it ok too. I am sure that it could be a problem, thankfully I havent faced it yet.
