for all of the people hung up on ipc, Ryzen 2 will unquestionably be higher than anything Intel will be able to provide in the next two years. just the facts from revised earnings and outlook from Intel itself. the delay in 14nm production will be ironed out within the next six to ten months, leaving Intel all geared up for 14nm when AMD introduces 7nm to the market. and obtw, any lowering of density on Intel's 10nm process will create an inferior product vs. TSMC 7nm. right now, with the density of the 10nm unchanged, they are equivalent but if you neuter the 10nm then AMD will reign supreme everywhere it counts.