I would like to gauge just how many people disagree with this.

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by ArCElM, Jun 11, 2012.

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This guy is talking..

  1. TOTAL Tripe, Nvidia are an honest company with honest pricing.

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    40.9%
  2. Nvidia are ripping us off, but what can you do? I want 60FPS.

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  3. No Idea.

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  1. Irocing

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    At some point up the line I believe both Nvidia and AMD are in bed togeather.

    All you can do is get the best card you can that will do the job at the lowest price you can.

    There two top cards are pretty close as to performance right now.

    Hardware is still on top of software thats out there right now and your not going to see a lot of difference when it comes to visual. Unless your a fanatic.

    Drivers for there cards are a different matter when it comes to issues.

    Later:)
     
  2. Fender178

    Fender178 Ancient Guru

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    True, but that is going to change in just a few short
    days.
     
  3. dchalf10

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    It's pretty hard considering how unoptimised a lot of games are. You can sacrifice 50% of your visual fidelity to gain 5-10 frames some times, and even then it's still no where near a 60 frame min. A lot of the time it's like 50 frame avg, 35 frame min at max settings, or 55 frame avg and 35 frame min with half the settings turned off. So it's often not worth it.
     
  4. mykledw

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    Simple, don't like the prices.................don't buy................

    Prices come to your budget ..............buy.......


    Sorry but I hate whiners that do this every time a card is out of reach...........

    Learn how to save and stop bitching at the market that is out of your reach....


    Sheesh......................
     

  5. Frohman0905

    Frohman0905 Master Guru

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    I don't see the point why people are still complaining about the pricing. Seriously, this subject has been discussed less than a month ago:

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=362919

    To repeat the post I made back then:

    6800 ultra: €499
    7800gtx: 599 USD
    8800gtx: 599 USD
    GTX280: 649 USD
    GTX480: 499 USD
    GTX580: 499 USD
    GTX680: 499 USD

    This pricing is taken from the guru3d reviews that were published at the time. You can check it if you want. If you compare this, wth is wrong with the pricing? It has been like that for years and suddenly people start making threads b*tching about how much they have to pay for a high end video card?

    Yeah I know the economy sucks atm but companies like AMD and Nvidia need to make money as well and honestly, besides the driver issues BOTH companies have, I see no reason to complain. They could have gone crazy and ask 700 or 800 USD for a high end gpu and still people would have bought it. Just like when nvidia came out with their 8800 ultra. The performance difference between that card and the 8800 gtx was laughable to say the least and still people bought it.

    The point is, when you buy a GTX 680 or HD7970, you can max out every game out there. Of course, using insane amounts of msaa and extreme resolutions will degrade performance. That's nothing new. If you can't live with that, you're better off with a console or go for a dual or triple gpu solution.
     
  6. Brendruis

    Brendruis Maha Guru

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    ..and how much is the 3960X? lol who is price gouging.

    for that price nVidia gives you two chips
     
  7. Ade 1

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    Got no problem with the prices. If people want it, they'll buy it. I wanted a 690 and bought one. I see more and more posts about people complaining about the prices - they say to others don't buy them and that will make NV drop their prices. Yeah right! Just get on and game instead of moaning about things you can't change.
     
  8. ArCElM

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    Did you read my post on Nvidia forums?

    1080p is not even close to extreme these days.

    read my post on Nvidia forums. :whip:
     
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    I think the OP doesn't understand the concept of a market economy, VAT increases and inflation. Not sure why he thinks Nvidia or anybody else has a responsiblity to him to produce things he wants at a price he wants.

    OP - if you can do better for cheaper, go ahead.
     
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  10. Frohman0905

    Frohman0905 Master Guru

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    That's my point. How many people actually play games at very high resolutions? You can twist and turn all you want but the majority is still using 1080p. Even then, reviews have clearly shown that current high end gpu's can still max out games at 1600p. As long as you don't exaggerate with high amounts of msaa, a single 680 or 7970 will have no problems.

    A perfect example imo: did you read the gtx 280 reviews when it first came out? The GTX280 still could not max out crysis, a game that was released before the 280, at 1600p with high amounts of aa. Even 1080p was a struggle.
     

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    That is one way of giving the game replayability. The programmers can make the games utilize more hardware power if they want to. Take for instance the 3DMark, when a new 3DMark is released, all cards are floored in performance because they intentionally made the graphics for the program heavy. When a new card is released and you buy one, you immediately try to benchmark the card and see how much gain you now have.
     
  12. Frohman0905

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    Agreed, when crysis came out I had an 8800gtx. Even with settings on medium and 1280x1024, I felt I was asking too much from my gpu. Now I have a GTX680 (huge upgrade for me) and I can play crysis maxed out with 4xmsaa. It's like a whole new game.
     
  13. Loophole35

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    I vote tripe but that's because there was no middle ground. You have a couple valid points but it is lost in the whirlwind of your apparent distrust and downright discust of those making a profit. Do you thing the big wigs at Nvidia should instead live in a small one bedroom apt. with only rammen in the pantry and be forced to use public transport. If that were to happen then no one would make "high-end" GFX cards we would all be using onboard graphics. The price is in line with previous generations top cards and have not gone up with inflation so generaly speaking they could claim to have lowered prices in some areas.
     
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  14. ArCElM

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    I'm sorry, did you mention middle ground?


    OK you got me, I don't get it.

    4870x2 £350
    GTX 690 £1000


    "Currently you can pick up a 512 MB model at roughly 279 USD. I expect the 1024 MB models to settle at 299-319 USD." - AMD ATI Radeon HD 4870 1024MB review By: Hilbert Hagedoorn

    I just think this is a case of a bunch of nerdy fanboys rolling thorugh this post tbh.

    Ah well, I cba anymore, party on !
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  15. -Tj-

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    "
    To repeat the post I made back then:
    5800FX
    6800 ultra: €499 <<<< big jump
    7800gtx: 599 USD <<<< big jump
    8800gtx: 599 USD <<<< big jump
    GTX280: 649 USD <<<< moderate jump
    GTX480: 499 USD <<<< big jump
    GTX580: 499 USD <<<< minimal jump, or big jump if we ignore GF100
    GTX680: 499 USD <<<< minimal jump
    "


    The main problem is, they ARE overpriced for such small boost.

    GTX 680 is still mid-range gpu, yes its fast but not worth high-end price., high GTX 580 price made AMD 7970 pricy and well you know the rest. :)


    Remember this Nvidia's quote before they released this GK104?
    "we expected more from AMD"


    And now they lower GTX580 price after GTX680 release, so they can continue selling 680's for absurd 460-700€ price. :eyes:
    http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=gra16_512&xf=1439_GTX+680&sort=p

    vs
    7970 for 375 - 560€
    http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=gra16_512&xf=1440_HD+7970&sort=p


    @Thread starter

    You noticed this after 2-3months? This is old news :D
     
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  16. Frohman0905

    Frohman0905 Master Guru

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    I wouldn't say the 680 is such a minimal jump over the 580. Reviews have reported that the 680 offers higher settings in every demanding game. That's what it's all about with every new generation. Imo, it was about damn time that nvidia finally came out with an efficient gpu that offers blistering fast performance (which it does for me).

    You're also comparing a new generation card to a previous generation card (7970 => 580). The 7970 never was the competitor for the 580, the 6970 was. AMD alone is the cause for the high 7970 price at launch. You should thank nvidia for Kepler because that's when the 7 series prices started to drop.
     
  17. -Tj-

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    Once you max out AA, etc it is only 20-30% faster then stock 580gtx. Anyway yeah enjoy your 680, im still enjoying my 570 :)


    Btw there was no Kepler when 7970 released, GTX580 was the only comparable gpu - price wise. And Im not gonna thank Nvdia for anything, maybe i would if the dropped GTX 580 price at 7970 release, then AMD would be forced to sell them at current price, so would this GTX 680..

    If anything im gonna skip GK104 and wait for GK110 if there ever is gonna be one, if not im gonna buy something else.. Not a big deal :)


    //Just my 2 cents.
     
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  18. ArCElM

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    OH MY GOD, it is SO refreshing to have just one person post in this thread who is actually WITH me.

    and I only just decided to make a post, my eyes have been open for a long long time.
     
  19. Loophole35

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    Do yourself a favor and look at my rig in the column to the left of this post I have an AMD card and you call me a Nvidia fanboy OK.:bang:

    Now -Tj- makes the same point I was making on the pricing but does so with similar distaste as you and you praise him as if he were your long lost brother.

    When you compare a 4870x2 price to a 690 that is apples to oranges sorry but it is you may not agree but whatever I'm just a fanboy so it doesn't matter. Also the middle ground I was referring to was that Nvidia could have released the current 680 as what it really seems to be and that's a 670ti and made a real 680 out of the GK110 and price accordingly.But that did not happen because AMD did not clock the 7970 high enough from the factory. So when you compare the two cards side by side at stock the 680 looks like its beating the AMD handily in most games. Just my 2cents from a Nvidia fanboy:3eyes:
     
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  20. snowdweller

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    Why are you still here talking about the same stuff? IF IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE DON'T BUY IT HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID.

    Same **** different day.
     
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