Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by viren, Jul 17, 2016.
When's the big day when we find out who won?
The Election is next Tuesday, Nov 8. We probably wont know for sure who won until late that evening
While I agree with that statement, not all of Bill's 'grabbing' was consensual.
The 'common weakness' is that you have to have a fairly high opinion of yourself to run for President in the first place. The biggest problem with that is believing that others share your opinion of yourself.
The Impeachment was specifically in regard to Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. He wasn't removed from office but he did lose his license to practice Law.
I agree with this.
I still remember Nicolas Sarkozy being asked about his affair when he was married.
He simply said; "And then?"
Guy kept his personal/work seperated.
Where do you keep finding this nonsense?
This is why!! Hillary must not win
Why is Russia so interested in keeping Assad in power?
I have asked many influential people and they did not have an answer,
Yesterday I received the answer.
President Obama and Clinton were planning to build an oil pipeline from Turkey to Qatar. They were going to make a 'killing' on this deal. Literally billions of dollars. Now this is where the snag popped up. Assad did not like the pipeline passing through Syria (not sure if he was not offered enough to like it or any other reason for him being against it). The deal was stuck.
The solution was to get rid of Assad and so Obama and Clinton decided to start an Arab spring in Syria, as that was the trend in the rest of the Arab world at that time. the USA encouraged rebels to take up arms and started a revolution to get rid of Assad. The plan nearly worked, but Russia cam into the picture as she did not want this deal to go through. So Russia intervened and saved Assad from assured destruction.
Now this deal could now also explain the millions of dollars the Qatar has donated over the years to the Clinton foundation.
Now Iran is also involved in this deal. She was supposed to benefit greatly from this pipe line as she was going to be one of the main suppliers of this oil that was to be pumped to Qatar. Now we see that Iran has a very big vested interest in our region and stood to make billions annually from it.
At the beginning of the year, America, under the orders of Obama, transferred 1.7 billion dollars in CASH to the Iranians. It was made out to be some type of ransom, for the 4 Americans being held there at that time. This seems now to not be the truth. This money was made out to be ransom money, but it was money due to Iran according to the pipe line agreement and this was a cover for this transaction. Money was in reality being stolen by the Clintons and Obama, and used for their personal interests. CRIMINAL.
And what about the resulting civil war in the region, that was to topple Assad. hundreds of thousands of people had been killed as a result, and million have been left homeless and refugees. This could be the reason why Clinton wants to allow so many of the Syrian refugees into America.
There is more to come, and the information that I am receiving, is now putting many pieces of the puzzle together and the picture is becoming very clear. These people, Obama and the Clintons have destroyed the decent world over greed for themselves. Human lives have not been part of the equation. Money was the prize, and it was going to be got at all costs.
Oh and another point was written and agreed on. If Obama was to be charged, Clinton, being President was supposed to grant him a pardon, shortly later.
Can you sleep tonight? I certainly cannot, knowing there is the slightest possibility that Clinton could be elected President, and these evil plans and cover-ups could continue.
Wikileaks will fill us in on all the information needed, before and I'm sure after the elections. Internal investigations are continuing by them.
Haha, it's fun huh?!
What's it like out in lala land?
That wall of text looks like trump's face when you squint your eyes.
I don't want to make this thread about oil so all I'll say is look up the value of the contract that Halliburton won right before the Iraq war. Oddly enough, they were the only company allowed to bid on the contract. That right there is the definition of corruption.
There's a reason why almost every other country besides Russia wants Clinton to win. Trump is a spoiled man-baby who acts like a teenage girl when he doesn't get what he wants.
News Flash: Hillary's poll numbers are falling faster than Bill Clinton's pants in an Arkansas trailer park.
Not much of a surprise.
I also want to add something that really makes me laugh. There's a lot of talk about WW3 from both sides, or at least there was. To be specific it was claims that Trump would start it. The ONLY side to push the chance of another world war is Hilary's. The woman that has threatened war with Russia over cyber crime, and did so months ago. The woman that continues to attack and threaten war with Russia.
You tell us. Though it's not exactly explained correctly.
As far as the hostage thing. Obama of course denied that it was payout for hostages in public. Where that came from i'm not sure, could be a small diversionary media plant, or just pundits stirring the pot. But as far as what we know about the media being tied to Whitehouse, across many administrations in fact. Anything is possible. A small plant like that simply fractures the road to the truth and eventually becomes conspiracies or white noise. But it is irrelevant as the real story is far more plausible.
Follow the money. It's almost always about the Oil. You can study it and then chose to believe it, and even better show another side that would seemingly disprove it, but intelligent discussion should be the priority, not simple one liners that have nothing to back it up and that are meaningless.
My aim was not really trying to start out posting at Guru in politics so i kind of want to bow out on this, but, well actually i have been reading Guru since the 90's and may have had an forum account 15 years ago or so. In fact i'm sure i must have. But anyway. I can't post links to show the source, but if you are interested in truth you can search it. Or bring something otherwise intelligent to the table. But the story goes something like this. Remember our ties to the Saudis hold as much weight as our ties to Israel.
Hence why there are pictures of Bush holding hands with them, Obama bowing to them, Hillary Schmoozing wit them, ect ect ect.
According to Rashid Abanmy, President of the Riyadh-based Saudi Arabia Oil Policies and Strategic Expectations Center, the dramatic price collapse is being deliberately caused by the Saudis, OPEC’s largest producer. The public reason claimed is to gain new markets in a global market of weakening oil demand. The real reason, according to Abanmy, is to put pressure on Iran on her nuclear program, and on Russia to end her support for Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
When combined with the financial losses of Russian state natural gas sales to Ukraine and prospects of a US-instigated cutoff of the transit of Russian gas to the huge EU market this winter as EU stockpiles become low, the pressure on oil prices hits Moscow doubly. More than 50% of Russian state revenue comes from its export sales of oil and gas.
The US-Saudi oil price manipulation is aimed at destabilizing several strong opponents of US globalist policies. Targets include Iran and Syria, both allies of Russia in opposing a US sole Superpower. The principal target, however, is Putin’s Russia, the single greatest threat today to that Superpower hegemony. The strategy is similar to what the US did with Saudi Arabia in 1986 when they flooded the world with Saudi oil, collapsing the price to below $10 a barrel and destroying the economy of then-Soviet ally, Saddam Hussein in Iraq and, ultimately, of the Soviet economy, paving the way for the fall of the Soviet Union. Today, the hope is that a collapse of Russian oil revenues, combined with select pin-prick sanctions designed by the US Treasury’s Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence will dramatically weaken Putin’s enormous domestic support and create conditions for his ultimate overthrow. It is doomed to fail for many reasons, not the least, because Putin’s Russia has taken major strategic steps together with China and other nations to lessen its dependence on the West. In fact the oil weapon is accelerating recent Russian moves to focus its economic power on national interests and lessen dependence on the Dollar system. If the dollar ceases being the currency of world trade, especially oil trade, the US Treasury faces financial catastrophe.
The Kerry-Abdullah secret deal
On September 11, US Secretary of State Kerry met Saudi King Abdullah at his palace on the Red Sea. The King invited former head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Bandar to attend. There a deal was hammered out which saw Saudi support for the Syrian airstrikes against ISIS on condition Washington backed the Saudis in toppling Assad, a firm ally of Russia and de facto of Iran and an obstacle to Saudi and UAE plans to control the emerging EU natural gas market and destroy Russia’s lucrative EU trade. A report in the Wall Street Journal noted there had been “months of behind-the-scenes work by the US and Arab leaders, who agreed on the need to cooperate against Islamic State, but not how or when. The process gave the Saudis leverage to extract a fresh US commitment to beef up training for rebels fighting Mr. Assad, whose demise the Saudis still see as a top priority.”
For the Saudis the war is between two competing age-old vectors of Islam. Saudi Arabia, home to the sacred cities of Mecca and Medina, claims de facto supremacy in the Islamic world of Sunni Islam. The Saudi Sunni form is ultra-conservative Wahhabism, named for an 18th Century Bedouin Islamic fundamentalist or Salafist named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahha. The Taliban derive from Wahhabism with the aid of Saudi-financed religious instruction. The Gulf Emirates and Kuwait also adhere to the Sunni Wahhabism of the Saudis, as does the Emir of Qatar. Iran on the other hand historically is the heart of the smaller branch of Islam, the Shi’ite. Iraq’s population is some 61% majority Shi’ite. Syria’s President, Bashar al-Assad is a member of a satellite of the Shi’ite branch known as Alawite. Some 23% of Turkey is also Alawite Muslim. To complicate the picture more, across a bridge from Saudi Arabia sits the tiny island country, Bahrain where as many as 75% of the population is Shi’ite but the ruling Al-Khalifa family is Sunni and firmly tied to Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the richest Saudi oil region is dominated by Shi’ite Muslims who work the oil installations of Ras Tanura.
An oil and gas pipeline war
These historic fault lines inside Islam which lay dormant, were brought into a state of open warfare with the launching of the US State Department and CIA’s Islamic Holy War, otherwise known as the Arab Spring. Washington neo-conservatives embedded inside the Obama Administration in a form of “Deep State” secret network, and their allied media such as the Washington Post, advocated US covert backing of a pet CIA project known as the Muslim Brotherhood. As I detail in my most recent book, Amerikas’ Heiliger Krieg, the CIA had cultivated ties to the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood death cult since the early 1950’s.
Now if we map the resources of known natural gas reserves in the entire Persian Gulf region, the motives of the Saudi-led Qatar and UAE in financing with billions of dollars the opposition to Assad, including the Sunni ISIS, becomes clearer. Natural gas has become the favored “clean energy” source for the 21st Century and the EU is the world’s largest growth market for gas, a major reason Washington wants to break the Gazprom-EU supply dependency to weaken Russia and keep control over the EU via loyal proxies like Qatar.
The world’s largest known natural gas reservoir sits in the middle of the Persian Gulf straddling part in the territorial waters of Qatar and part in Iran. The Iranian part is called North Pars. In 2006 China’s state-owned CNOOC signed an agreement with Iran to develop North Pars and build LNG infrastructure to bring the gas to China.
The Qatar side of the Persian Gulf, called North Field, contains the world’s third largest known natural gas reserves behind Russia and Iran.
In July 2011, the governments of Syria, Iran and Iraq signed an historic gas pipeline energy agreement which went largely unnoticed in the midst of the NATO-Saudi-Qatari war to remove Assad. The pipeline, envisioned to cost $10 billion and take three years to complete, would run from the Iranian Port Assalouyeh near the South Pars gas field in the Persian Gulf, to Damascus in Syria via Iraq territory. The agreement would make Syria the center of assembly and production in conjunction with the reserves of Lebanon. This is a geopolitically strategic space that geographically opens for the first time, extending from Iran to Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. As Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar put it, “The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline – if it’s ever built – would solidify a predominantly Shi’ite axis through an economic, steel umbilical cord.”
Shortly after signing with Iran and Iraq, on August 16, 2011, Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian Ministry of Oil announced the discovery of a gas well in the Area of Qarah in the Central Region of Syria near Homs. Gazprom, with Assad in power, would be a major investor or operator of the new gas fields in Syria. Iran ultimately plans to extend the pipeline from Damascus to Lebanon’s Mediterranean port where it would be delivered to the huge EU market. Syria would buy Iranian gas along with a current Iraqi agreement to buy Iranian gas from Iran’s part of South Pars field.
Qatar, today the world’s largest exporter of LNG, largely to Asia, wants the same EU market that Iran and Syria eye. For that, they would build pipelines to the Mediterranean. Here is where getting rid of the pro-Iran Assad is essential. In 2009 Qatar approached Bashar al-Assad to propose construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar’s north Field through Syria on to Turkey and to the EU. Assad refused, citing Syria’s long friendly relations with Russia and Gazprom. That refusal combined with the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline agreement in 2011 ignited the full-scale Saudi and Qatari assault on Assad’s power, financing al Qaeda terrorists, recruits of Jihadist fanatics willing to kill Alawite and Shi’ite “infidels” for $100 a month and a Kalishnikov. The Washington neo-conservative warhawks in and around the Obama White House, along with their allies in the right-wing Netanyahu government, were cheering from the bleachers as Syria went up in flames after spring 2011.
Today the US-backed wars in Ukraine and in Syria are but two fronts in the same strategic war to cripple Russia and China and to rupture any Eurasian counter-pole to a US-controlled World. In each, control of energy pipelines, this time primarily of natural gas pipelines—from Russia to the EU via Ukraine and from Iran and Syria to the EU via Syria—is the strategic goal. The true aim of the US and Israel is to give the pretext for bombing Assad’s vital grain silos and oil refineries to cripple the economy.
And like the whole thing about Ukraine, this is well known to anyone paying attention at all.
Always a fan of sources
F. William Engdahl
Why are we supposed to believe his version of events?
^the cope is real, Only liberal Progressive ****holes want Hillary to win because they are brainwashed, stop pulling stuff out of your rear sport, but hey we won't stop you from being a holier than though, virtue signaling ignoramus.
^ oh look another holier than though virtue signalling liberal, irony of it all if Hillary wins you getting purged kid prepare yourself to be a Saudi pawn for their Pedro dollar oil monopoly.