Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition - PC

Different perception? Accept mediocrity? Overlook issues? PC users are the ones that find ALL the issues!! We do what we can to correct them! We don't accept mediocrity which is why we have threads with thousands of post discussing problems and solutions! This is done because we want the best gaming experience our hardware can provide and period! What the heck you mean what am I on about?

Not one of the games mentioned earlier runs or looks better on PS5 when compared to my previous specs and of course not my new machines. You need a serious eye exam if you try and argue that. You might have a case for Ratchet and Clank. It's give and take with that one.

Now that you've told us your true specifications it's official. The problem is not always the game or your hardware. It's you! You have a monster machine and you're trying to argue that the PS5 is better? I'll tell you this. Give that machine to me or any fellow Guru that's capable and we'll show you what that baby can do!

I see you updated your specs. Good job!

 

"you've told us" Umm who is "us" exactly and what's up with this "us vs you" mentality? You think you run the show here or what? Don't be so pretentious and stop putting words into my mouth. I've never said PS5 ports can't look or run better on PC. They just have a lot of problems, some more than others. Sometimes system requirements are illogical compared to PS5 specs, things like that. And this whole discussion started when I said that sys requirements for this game will most likely be very steep, because DLC is PS5 exclusive. It's you and some other posters who started acting like that all PS5 ports are perfect. You really need to see this video. Will give you some perspective and may reduce your bias.

 

Don't confuse truth with bias! Your defense is a Digital Foundry video from 4 friggin months ago??? Dude just stop. The game has received patches since then. It's running and looking fantastic from what I'm seeing.

I own the PS5. I've played The Last Of Us. I've made many comparisons. Yes the PC ports do start out rough but, in the end, the outcome is the same. The games end up with higher quality fidelity, higher framerates and an overall much better experience. Again, the problem is not always the game or your computer. You've proven again that it's you!

No one said anything about PS Ports being perfect. I don't run ANYTHING at Guru3d. I've learned a lot from smarter and wiser Gurus. If I read a comment I disagree with, I will speak on it. Period! If that bothers you, TOUGH NIPPLES!

In regard to your argument about system requirements being illogical when compared to the PS5, that is another discussion. So many various forms of hardware configurations and OS affects that. You actually made a sound point of discussion. I don't disagree with your statement about PS ports being problematic. I do disagree with your tone. You started this by coming at me cockeyed and sideways. I always try to be respectful to everyone but there are a few of you that think it's cool to be disrespectful. You will receive what you put out.

Let's agree to disagree and agree to be disagreeable. Love that PS5 Dude. Heck, I love mine.

 

let s get something straight, if u want less headache, go with ps5, but expect 30 fps on more than one game, for me it s mixed feelings, because tbh, not many console ports run good on pc, with stuttering and stuff not really smooth enough, on the other hand, on pc , you would have to google it to know what are the best settings for graphics to get the framerate wanted, but u miss out on the exclusives of the ps5, so to me, one should own a pc and a console, if u have the time to play the titles.

 

Well my defense is a trusted 3rd party source who specializes in game benchmarking. Your defense is just "i'm a random forum guy, trust me bro". DF video is still relevant and later patches didn't do much (if there was update that significantly altered and improved overall game, Alex would have made a new video. Also in DF directs they keep people updated on the state of PS5 ports occasionally, and it's not great). Go to Steam forums. TLoU, Returnal, Uncharted, Ratchet. All have some sort of issues on PC. These games did receive patches, but they never got fully fixed and probably never will. Just because your 4090 can bruteforce through some issues doesn't mean ports are perfect by any means.

P.S. I don't even own these games on PC, so don't know why you are acting like I personally am having these problems lol.

 

Wow great arguments there. I fail because I don't own every video game? Notice how you go after me personally and not the points I raise every time you don't have anything to say. Another 12 year old stuck in 40 year old body and an obnoxious internet troll.

 

That's not a guarantee. I think that depends entirely on how much demand there is and if he can fit it in between testing new games.
I have no opinion on the state of TLoU, but the lack of a DF video should not be indicative of the state of the game, even if it indeed is still broken.

 

I'm so glad this got announced and I can't wait to play it.

 

The problem is that you are basing your opinion of The Last of Us Part 1 patch 1.0.5, which is the version that Battaglia covered on his last DF video. Since then, there were four patches, one of which was designed to increase CPU and GPU performance in the game (patch 1.1.0).

DF can be useful, but they are not the be all end all, especially for PC games. The Last of Us Part 1 launched in a broken state on PC, but they definitely managed to turn things around. Is that surprising? Not really, because while Naughty Dog aren't known for being technical wizards in the PC space, they are among the most technically competent PlayStation developers so it was only a matter of time before they got their crap together.

Now that they understand what it takes to make a successful PC conversion, future games released by them to PC should be much higher quality.

 

It may turn out to be more than that in practice, because 14th gen looks like it has some process node refinements and hits and maintains higher clock speeds easier than 13th gen. For most applications (including games), the ability to hit high clock speeds across all cores is more important than just one or two cores.

Case in point, 14900KF is 6% faster than the 13900KS in Blender despite having the same turbo boost frequency for single thread:

Intel's Core i9-14900K CPU Showcases Strong Rendering Performance But Still Loses To AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (wccftech.com)

I will be purchasing the 14900KF when it becomes available and I will give my 13900KF to my nephew so I will know for sure how it behaves.

 

I really wouldn't bother with consoles anymore, ps5 already struggling to play the latest third party games hence a pro revision (I can see that there will be a console revision every 2-3 years). At least with PC you can tweak. Half of the games coming out on playstation are going to be crappy gaas which will also be on PC. You can also do a lot more on PC too.

 

Finally took the time to fire this up. Amazing! In another thread I said that my focus would be on Cyberpunk 2077 without interruptions.

That's impossible LOL! In the last 2 weeks we have MK1, Aki on Street Fighter 6, 2.0 and Phantom Liberty and FSR3. Now I'm exploring a little bit of Horizon Forbidden West.

My tech and gaming side is on a serious high right now. Lol!

 

Agreed 1000%. When WhiteLightning shared the link that announced Nixxes taking care of Horizon Forbidden West I was happy with the news. Their track record is solid and experience is appreciated. I'm sure Naughty Dog will become a force in the PC space through experience as well.

Absolutely. The PC is so much more versatile and the possibilities are endless. I do have an interest in the PS5 Pro mainly because of my love for tech. I'm curious to see what enhancements Sony will make. If the PS5 Pro is released around the same time as Blackwell, it more than likely wouldn't be worth it. I doubt the PS5 Pro will come anywhere near to a 4090's computing power, much less Blackwell's.

 

Digital Foundry - never understood why ppl would rely on them as if they were a final instance of truth, when in reality their materials very often lack competence and depth. Not a great reference for an argument. But good to know than DF makes sure console players are kept to believe that PC gaming is "unoptimised". Dont try looking any further

Steam forums exist for that - for people to post when have issues. Majority is satisfied and quiet, and they dont write anywhere, you'd better reference steam reviews in that case (which are quite positive for sony games, even tlou). But all games, except for tlou, were very much playable at launch, and run and looked better than on playstation. A couple of issues here and there, probably bugged RT in ratchett was a big visual defect. but got very quickly fixed.

And why nobody mentions bugs and stutters on consoles, or developers dont patch console games? Consoles are same computers, so nothing is perfect. PC crowd is more heterogeneous and demanding, and every little bug a minority may have gets a widespread coverage, while console gamers seem to be less picky. But I find it ironic how non-pc gamers get to complain and criticise optimisation for PC quite vehemently lol

I have ps4. Almost all PS exclusives I enjoyed the most were on PC, where they truly shined (especially horizon, days gone), gamed on RTX2070 until not a while ago. Ratchett and uncharted run butter smooth, in fact, all sony games I tried on PC run extremely well.

There is no debate about hardware, and if one can have 4090 and run sony game at 100+ fps - thats even better. Better hardware means better performance everywhere. That's why there is gonna be a PS5 Pro and we will celebrate 60fps on some titles. Real 4k probably not yet.

 

What did you expect they are the console channel first. Just look how they handle PC gaming reviews. Complaning and whining about it state of PC ports is becoming their hobby.

 

Well, Zero Dawn port was utter crap for many months. If you want impaired gaming experience, you don't need to wait for PC ports.

 

I started playing it on release, and except for subpar AA and the need to enforce AF through the driver, did not encounter any issues (fps was 60+ on 2k). I had to postpone gaming for a few months back then, and when returned to the game - it only became better and practically flawless. It was a first big sony exclusive ported to PC, and I can only commend that developers took their time to polish this gem. On ps4 HZD was unplayable for me, and Im glad I gave it a second chance on PC.

On another note, I am usually a nit-picking person and would demand perfection lol but gotta be objective too. Games almost never perfect from day one on any platform. Even 60fps gaming is a relatively fresh trend. If we check game benchmarks from 10-15 years ago, top gpus not always even could achieve 30 fps in freshest titles, and many other games never got their proper fixes. So, PC standards and average GPU power has dramatically improved since then. More people demand better quality, and there is more complaining - that's normal

 

When i played first Horizon it was on rx580 8gb and had a decent enough experience. Game didnt had any upscaling options and yet it was running fine atleast for me.

 

The game had abhorrent frame time spikes after a few minutes of playing due to VRAM overallocation on basically anything but Vega II, you had no AF without driver-forcing it, various timer-related issues etc. -> garbage.
And via updates, they have introduced some forced mouse smoothing that feels like 0.2s of input lag, which alone justifies it as laughable sh*t for me...