High End Audiophile Thread Part 2

Discussion in 'Soundcards, Speakers HiFI & File formats' started by vbetts, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. Anarion

    Anarion Ancient Guru

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    Just got my HD 660 S. It's the 2019 refresh variant and the plastic parts are noticeably nicer than in the older units. The new moulds they use now are very nice improvement - no seams or rough edges.
     
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    Nice to see the plastic is better.... </sarcasm> Never understood their love for plastic. Even on their hi-end stuff.

    The 660S use the drivers from the HD700, but is tuned like the HD6xx series. Benefits include speed and detail, and hopefully they won't blend instruments together like the earlier drivers.
     
  3. Anarion

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    Hmm... I'm glad that Sennheiser doesn't seem to have any plans to retire the other HD 600 series headphones. HD 660 S is rather different compared to HD 6XX. Sound stage is different - its a matter of personal preference which you prefer. HD 660 S a bit more around your head style where with HD 650 things are more like in front of you. Imaging is more drastic on HD 660 S. It's hard to say which has wider sound stage - might actually be HD 650 but since the sound stages are different it's a bit hard to compare. HD 660 S is a bit faster but in reality the differences aren't that massive.

    Tuning wise... I find HD 660 S actually rather sibilant and a bit "sharper" (because of speed and that sibilance; HD 650 doesn't lack clarity). HD 650 has a tad more prominent sub bass and it's actually quite a bit brighter headphone than HD 660 S while not being sibilant. To my ear HD 650 is more natural sounding from mids and beyond. No sibilance issues and no obvious slumps or peaks.

    Which one I prefer? HD 6XX. Nothing sound bad with it (or more like everything sound good). HD 660 S works really nicely in some things but in some cases the sibilance raises its head and it hurts the treble detail compared to HD 650 so things get lost in shshshss and things end up sounding sharper and smoother (texture wise) on HD 650. For EDM, trance etc. HD 650 is almost always the more pleasing option, especially with vocal tracks. HD 660 S is more analytical rather than natural (= which I would consider neutral, as in close to what I consider things actually sound like in real life).

    As always you mileage may vary. After all, everyone has different ear shape.

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    Really like the refreshed design. Also it didn't seem to clamp as much (it was very easy to get to comfortable clamping level with the typical bending). As comfortable and light as before. Makes me want to buy the refreshed HD 650... Also the pads that came with HD 660 S are better than the ones that came with HD 58X and HD 6XX. Clearly different batch, maybe even improved. The ones that came with HD 58X were surprisingly shitty (bought replacement original pads which were much more room).
     
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  4. sverek

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    I prefer HD600 the most out of HD600 series line-up. HD650 got a bit too much warmth to my preference. HD660s didn't sound sibilant to me, but sound quality was really bothersome after listening to DT1990. Maybe try some EQ to lower treble of HD660s, helps a lot until your ears get used to it.
     

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    I haven't posted in a while as I'd been more focused on my Ryzen build, as well as buying an LG ATMOS soundbar for my XBOX One X + 65" Panasonic TV (and enjoying the heck outta 'em). Finally got down to setting up my iFi Micro iDSD Black Label for my 2nd rig, just fired up the Micro iDSD BL + Grado GS1000i and I'd forgotten how much I enjoy the latter.....the BL isn't a slouch either. Been listening to some piano piece (Yiruma's Kiss the Rain and River Flows in You) as well as some Rod Stewart's many hits. I must say, I still enjoy the nice bass and sparkle on the GS1000i. The Bass Boost and 3D sound on the really adds to the overall presentation of the music (though I don't use 'em much as I prefer my music unenhanced). Will try my GS1000i against my HD600, HE4XX and Dharma D1000 (which are my can on rotation at the moment).
     
  6. Anarion

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    There isn't much difference in actual warmness between HD 660 S and HD 650 (HD 58X is warmer than both). The perceived detail is quite a bit higher on HD 650 since it's as a whole brighter sounding headphone. The sound texture is smoother (but not exactly less detailed; some things sound sharper instead of "splashier") and sub bass rumbless a bit more. Doesn't seem to matter what I do with the EQ it doesn't really seem to make any real difference. You can't EQ timbre.

    I'll be keeping it for now (got the balanced cable now :D). To be honest though pretty much all of my music collection sounds better to my ear on my HD 6XX though.

    By the way, I'll be repurposing the shell of my HD 58X... That should be interesting.... Any idea what I'm planning to do? :D
     
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    Grados are a very transparent headphone. I sold my RS1 vintage and I miss it at times
     
  8. Anarion

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    This is rather interesting... There are apaprently rather large differences between HD 650s. That's so large that can easily make it "veiled" or anything but. Not sure how old that blue HD 650 was but it might be that the newer batches are just brighter. That would certainly explain why some thing that HD 650 is veiled and others don't.
    https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd650/
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    ...and pads cam make rather large difference too....
     
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    @Anarion , interesting chart of the various HD650 you've got there. Wish I could give myself a reason to snag one, but since I have both the HD600 and HD6XX, I don't have an excuse to get the HD650.

    I agree with gridiron, Grado do make very transparent cans, but one which I had and didn't like was the PS1000, it sounded dark, definitely a lack of the Grado sparkle. I'd gotten it because it looked hella awesome, just couldn't get myself to like the sound. With the GS1000i, it was instant love, that's why I'd gotten the PS1000, I'd figured it would have that Grado transparency.....was pretty disappointed actually.
     
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    My DT-1990 pwn that test.
     
  12. Anarion

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    Ahh... Well, works for bass but that treble test though... :) The wonders of lossy audio compression. In other words, everything just disappears abruptly at 15 kHz (low pass filter kicks in).

    Part of me makes me want to just put my HD 6XX capsules in my HD 660 S (also swap the grilles) since it looks nicer (and is clean with fresh pads). HD 58X look better too than the Massdrop/Drop HD 6XX. Not really diggin' the blue colour but then again when you wear them it makes zero difference.
     
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    Youtube cuts everything above 15Khz. Not a best platform for audio.
     
  14. Anarion

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    On top of that it seems to add some kind of normalisation to audio. To be honest it totally ruins everything.


    Hmmm... I wonder if I got somewhat extraordinary dark HD 660 S. The mids are definitely more recessed than on my HD 58X.
     
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  15. Anarion

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    Soo... How should I call these? HD 580 Jubilee?

    By the way, I have REALLY hard time picking any differences between these and my HD 6XX (EDIT: At first try yeah, but after a while differences are more obvious). Also very hard to say which I prefer. Both sound fantastic - I love both. Though, might actually slightly prefer these; I really like the sound - it just sounds right. :D Maybe a tad tighter, faster, sharper and less bass warmth (extension more or less the same). We are talking about really small differences though. Even when swapping on the fly the differences are small.
    EDIT: It's clear, neutral but not boring. Also has nice sharpness and accuracy but doesn't sound artificial. Upper mids are slightly over the top, HD 6XX is more neutral there which is nicer. Ideal headphone would be HD 650 with HD 600 speed. There's nothing veiled about these two.

    Basically: Buy HD 600 (or HD 650) and be happy for the rest of your life. The new version looks rather nice too (always hated how the original looked). I'd personally change headband padding to HD 650/660 S one though.
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    I think the new 600's come with much crappier packaging, not that it matters headphone wise. I actually like the old look. No headphones look quite like them with the kitchen counter finish.
     
  17. Anarion

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    Personally I prefer how the HD 580 Jubilee looked. HD 600 used to look just so... ehh.. Well, I prefer solid colours that do not peel off. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/senn-hd580-jubilee.877416/
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    HD 58X Jubilee is indeed quite similar in terms of looks, sure solid colours but the shades are pretty much there. Grille is probably the same paint job wise.
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    The 580 Jubilees do look nice.
     
  19. Anarion

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    Did some spring cleaning for my HD 6XX. Ended up swapping HD 6XX and HD 660 S driver capsules and pads. Didn't change the grille, since there's small difference in the finish (HD 660 S has slightly smoother plastic finish, HD 660 S more rougher matte). HD 6XX shell (and capsules) needed some cleaning and they look like new again. These are really easy to clean and you don't need any tools.
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    Now that I've been using all these three for a while I think that HD 650 is the king after all. It has just got utterly fantastic sound and nothing sound bad nor annoying. It tames the HD 600's 4K peak which makes it more pleasant and natural. Just faster and tighter bass and it would be really close to perfection. I don't get the HD 660 S in comparison to those two... It's not an improvement.
     
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  20. sverek

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    Kinda hard to justify HD660, when there DT1990 and Hifiman Sundara. HD660s is just kinda safer choice.
     
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