High DX11 CPU overhead, very low performance.

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  1. s0x

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  2. siriq

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    Very , very short about my experience with AMD after long years again, after nvidia of course.
    Nothing much. I have issue with vulkan due to changing over nvidia. I tested this card in other system and the vulkan works fine. Not here after changing from nvidia. i won't do fresh OS install. Don't have time for it. Some vulkan test runs , some not.
    Only the additional settings are short as for many users.
    I have been testing amd drivers over 3 months now(thanks for my friend).
    With nvidia drivers(compare 3 months time) i had lot more issues after the driver install has been made(or not, because some of them, simply refuse to install).

    Some other things has to be tested but so far the positive points are going on amd side. Only few to nvidia.

    Anyway, i will make a video conclusion about my experience , you like it or not :D
     
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  3. Seren

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    Might want to try this: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=379505
    Make sure clean Vulkan is selected. Should only take 10mins if everything goes well.
     
  4. Strange Times

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    (GTA 5) when i was on 750ti cpu load was 100% and more frames per second
    now cpu load below 75% and less frames

    BUT some games like ac odyssey and witcher 3 works slightly better due more stable frametimes

    now i'm waiting for more dx12 games
     

  5. OnnA

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    AMD's 'driver overhead' is not one single thing but an umbrella term. It's also not GCN specific but goes way back and across multiple different architectures.
    In common use, it can be split into two separate areas being the actual driver overhead and a lack of Command List support.

    If Game uses DX11.1 then Overhead is gone (look at BF1/5 or SWBF2)
    Also devs need to code it that way ;)
    Also many new 'Engines' have it inside or 'in-house'
    CryEngine, Unity, UE etc.


    -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5szgnl/can_someone_explain_amds_dx11_driver_overhead_to/
     
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  6. D1stRU3T0R

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    Which games use DX11.1 ? I barely found 2. Also, i can't really find informations about DX 11.4 and DX 11.5, but if we check in GPU-z it's showing as supported. So what's new with them ?
     
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    Where does it show?
     
  10. Rambo

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    GTS 450 shows 11.5 too.
     
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  11. Strange Times

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    but nv12 is 11.4 feature
    11.5 doesn't exist and reserved for future in gpu z?
     
  12. Astyanax

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    So long as a game doesn't use anti-cheats that block the use of wrappers, AMD users can get DX11 command lists via dxvk.
     
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    Well that might explain the interesting little performance bump a bit more than the driver and improved GPU utilization over D3D11 if that's part of it.
    There's likely more to it and the state of the driver code here seeing how the GPU works under Vulkan or D3D12 or D3D11->Vulkan through DXVK but that fills in part of why it's generally a gain to wrap through DXVK. :D

    EDIT: NVIDIA benefits too and it seems D3D9 can be a real bottleneck overall but the gains on AMD are unusually large and what should be a CPU limitation or other issues with this API wrapping just basically becomes a performance increase and overall benefit instead up to some really high percentages at times which was curious.

    Improved as the drivers (Performance and stability.) have been this can still be really effective pretty easy to compare a few minutes in-game and the results between the two modes too D3D11 native or Vulkan via DXVK and wrapping it.
     
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    I envy all of you that can get a performance boost in God of War using DXVK and have literally any other uArch than RDNA1, lol.
     

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    It won't work for me on RDNA2 either. It would not work on my Vega 56 either. 2 different rigs.
    The game works alright but sometimes the frame times and FPS drops are trash.
     
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    On RDNA1, Vulkan rendering is broken with DXVK on Windows on God of War. So it's not even about performance, lol.
     

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