Been troubleshooting a spare computer and found that the AIW 8500 has some sort of intermittent short. Have an old GeForce 2 MX200 so I thought I'd stick that in for the time being. System is MSIK7N2, Athlon XP2000+, 512k, XP Home. Now I'm no expert but I have had some experience installing/uninstalling graphics drivers. Typically do uninstall from Control Panel, boot to safe mode, run Driver Cleaner then re-boot and install new drivers. Problem is, I check Add/Remove programs and see that all the ATI apps are still there! Even after deleting all ATI folders. Do another CP uninstall but the install wizard pops open for a few seconds then closes and MMC 22.214.171.124 is till there. I've also tried the ATI uninstall utility with all of the above, no luck. Can someone tell we what the *.*!!@#* is going on? MT Did some more checking around, finally manually edited the registry uninstall keys, got rid of everything except "ATIRW14" in the Add/Remove Programs. Still curious why this happened.