Help me decide on Good computer for game center

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by abula, Jun 6, 2003.

  1. abula

    abula Master Guru

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    Hi,

    You help me a lot last year when I was building my dream computer, which end to be what I dream, now it is just an average computer, but thats the circle of life of the computer, today you are in the top and tomorrow you are in the ground.

    Now I need you help again, I planing on building a GAME CENTER here in guatemala, mostly to play games like 1ST person games (SOF2, Return to Castle Wolfstein, MOHAA, Counterstrike, etc). But I want to invest as little as I can without sacrificing a lot of speed an quality. I know is hard, but maybe with your help I can make the best COST/PERFONCE GAME CENTER. I wish to spend between $1000-$1300. Lower if posible.

    This is what I was thinking

    Intel P4 2.4Ghz 800Mhz $186
    512Mg Kingston DDR 333 $75
    Intel D865PERLL i865PE P4 ATX Audio/LAN/SATA/AGP8X $136
    WD 40 GB 7200RPM 8MG buffer ATA 1000
    17'' E70F $130
    Gainward FX Ultra/780 Geforce FX5600 256MG
    Mouse/Keyboard/Case will be bought locally in Guatemala.

    If you have a better suggestion or something that you would change because I'm over spending, please tell me.

    Thanks,
    Abula
     
  2. Uh-Oh

    Uh-Oh Guest

    You could ditch Intel and go the AMD way and you'd save alot... But if you prefer Intel, that seems like a good setup. Although the Radeon 9800 Pro seems to have a better performence/cost ratio...
     
  3. top_gun36

    top_gun36 Ancient Guru

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    the 9700Pro would be a better card for your system. Thats what I would change.
     
  4. Titan

    Titan Guest

    replace kingston ram with corsair...better quality
     

  5. Monolyth

    Monolyth Meow Mix Kills

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    I think the 9800 Pro would be a better upgrade, the prices for both are about the same, but you get alot better FSAA and Aniso performance w/the 9800 Pro. I love my 9800 Pro, it has been stable and smooth.
     
  6. mpm

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    The 9700pro or 9800(pro) would be a better option. 256MB video memory isn't reallly necessary. Also, if you do go with that 2.4 800MHz FSB P4, get some higher clocked memory (PC3700) and overclock the crap out of it. I think www.xbitlabs.com had an article, where they OC'd a 2.4C to 3.3Ghz at stock voltage.

    Also, you definitely don't want PC333 memory for your 800Mhz FSB P4. Get at least PC400.
     
  7. John

    John Ancient Guru

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    Also you should look into a bigger hd, 40 gigs is quite small nowadays ;)
     
  8. G L

    G L Don Juan

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    According to pricewatch, the difference between the 9700 pro and 9800 pro is $100, $365 vs. $265, still a bit much. If you want to get a 5600 then skip the 256 MB version, you'll see no difference except in 1600x1200 8x etc., and your card won't really be able to handle that anyway. If you don't mind paying a bit more, the 9700 non-pro is a good deal at about $200. Has the 8 pipelines and 256-bit bus just like the 9700 pro, just slower clock speeds, some of which could be made up for with a little overclocking.

    It appears PC3700 isn't really necessary for 865/75 overclocking. Setting the ram slower then the FSB can greatly increase memory bandwidth. Here:

    http://www.overclockers.com/articles756/

    200/200 gives 4600 MB/s, and 250/200 gives you 5400 MB/s. 220/220 only gave them 4950 MB/s, though some of that may have been due to the lower ram timings they had to use. If the chipset allowed for more memory ratio choices I'm sure you'd see it getting closer and closer to the theoretical maximum as the FSB went up. For whatever reason, the 865/75 seems to benefit greatly from extra FSB bandwidth over and above the memory bandwidth.
     
  9. abula

    abula Master Guru

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    Thanks guys for your replies, thanks for the advice (Uh-oh, Top_Gun36, Titan 2003, Monolyth, MPM, GL, Headshot)

    But something that I missed was that I dont have so much money to spare right now, I wish I could make dream machines, but my budget doesnt allow me, at least right now that the GAME CENTER is starting.

    Uh-Oh,
    I am an AMD fan also, but recently I have seen that AMD is not a lot cheaper, and is not like a year ago with the price/performace. I'm aslo thinking of using stock cooling with no OC in them because I want them to be fast but to be stable and durable, I think for this time I will go with intel.

    Headshot,
    About the HD, I will take 80Gb, I was thinking if the $20 matter, but you are right, I will go higher. Thanks

    Titan 2003,
    I also wanted to go with cosair, but I have read problems with the XMS LL modules with 865/875. Do you think the normal PC400 are ok?

    Top_Gun36, Monolyth, MPM, GL
    With the Video card, I'm looking to spend around $150-175, so I dont think I can reach the radeon 9700, I wish I could do, but I cant. Now if you were me, what would you choose?

    Gainward 780 Ultra Geforce 5 / FX5600 256MG or
    Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128MG

    Thanks again guys for all your suggestions.
    Abula
     
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  10. G L

    G L Don Juan

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    My guess is that an AMD 2700+ with dual PC2700 would probably match a P4 2.4 GHz/800 and dual PC3200. The 800 FSB P4s can gain a couple grades up on nforce2 333 or 400 FSB AMD systems, but a 2700+ is likely to match it at the very least, and the CPU will save you about $40, the motherboard about $10-$40. FYI you should really get PC3200 for a 865 system, so you'd save a bit by getting PC2700 with the AMD system. You could put that money into a 9700 non-pro. I'll see if I can find a benchmark or two to back that up. If you want to stay $175 or under on the video card, I'm at a bit of loss because that's a tough one. The 5600 is a decent card, but still too much for the performance it gives you, IMO, and 5600 ultra is not really even an option. The 9500 pro is good but still seems a bit expensive to me. I'm not sure how the 5600 stacks up against the ti4x00 series, but if its doing better then it used to thanks to drivers or newer games then maybe that, but I'm not sure about that one.

    Oh I just noticed the 9600 pro is about $160. the 9500 pro is still preferrable, but as it is still $20 more, I think the 9600 pro could be a good buy.
     
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  11. WeaZel

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    A 9700 Pro in a 2.4 system?

    Nah that's to overpowered.

    According to CPU mag bumpin' the fsb to the GHz range warranted no gaming increase. Regardless of what a memory bandidth test shows that dont' mean you're going to see that much of an increase in perfomrance.

    The 9600 beleive it or not performs worst than the 9500.

    Bigger number syndrome eh?
     
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  12. top_gun36

    top_gun36 Ancient Guru

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    The 9600 pro
     
  13. abula

    abula Master Guru

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    Weazel and Topgun32,

    Another friend point me that for business I should go with NVIDEA due that the drivers are better and that he believes that I could encounter some problems due to drivers issues or incompatibility.

    He also agreed that the 9600Pro was a better choice, but he believes the 5600 will be more reliable than the 9600PRO, and that I could lose customers if anything goes wrong with ati,

    What do you guys think?
     
  14. WeaZel

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    Bah, nVidia is the one where you'll encounter problems. Look at all the drivers. Each one wrecks a game or two. And before any of you freaks start callin' me an ATidiot I've never owned an ATi card and have had a GeForce2 GTS and now a Geforce3, so I know the woes of nVidia's drivers. Honestly go with the ATi.

    But I still say go with the 9500 Pro opposed to the 96.
     

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