Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by PhazeDelta1, Sep 23, 2013.
Except your President will use his veto powers and it looks like you will be heading for a shutdown.
I'd rather it shutdown than let this pos law that was rammed down our throats go into effect. It makes health care more expensive, has unconstitutional provisions, has caused business to drop coverage, switch coverage providers, lower working hours, lay off workers, fines companies for providing GOOD coverage to their workers (WTF?????), it creates a whole new mess of legalese to navigate through in an already bloated system. It was designed to fail from the start, the socialists want government single payer and they're are willing to destroy what we have in order to achieve it.
What I find funny is the people that vote for us to get this garbage are exempt from it, but these are the same clowns that can vote pay raises for themselves and have time off that goes weeks and weeks a year.
From the outside looking in it seems to be the other way around and it was probably was designed to fail from the beginning because of the convoluted piece of crap you got caused by Repubs that have done nothing to improve it just try to destroy it for political points.No compromise is no government.Shutdown has more far reaching problems than just this bill and the fact they are willing to push it to the edge doesn't say much for their party.
If you polish a turd, it's still a turd.
The Democrats wanted Repubs to back their law so that they couldn't be blamed for it, they didn't want any compromises. You're just regurgitating their talking points.
That is because all the coverage of the law is slanted and those on the outside reporting on this don't read the law (just like the ones that passed it). The republicans drafted a counter bill that had a lot of support from the citizens but the media towed the lefts line of there is no alternative.
BTW The failure of this law is by design.
I guess I could say the same.It doesn't matter if I read the law it's what the Repubs forced with your R controlled congress it is nowhere near what was proposed.I read about it from numerous sources not just left leaning but I don't pretend to know it.It just seems to the outside world that all have some sort of nationalized healthcare that this argument is not in the best interests of your country and you really should reign in the insurance companies and their powerful lobby who have the biggest financial dog in this fight.
It was always crap, from the “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" Democrats.
If anyone wants a scary read, here's the ACA. Once you finish reading it, come back and tell me if you still want it.
I'm all for national health care... But not this. This is a freaking joke that doesn't address the problems with the current private health care system. Yo government. DO BETTER.
As I said earlier, it's gang culture that causes the high amount of murders here. Minorities murdering other minorities. And you know what? They do it with illegal firearms anyway. He really needs to post some evidence that is more than just correlation because last time I checked, legal firearm owners weren't committing murders or robbing people. Of course I'm sure you could find some fringe cases, but it's by no means the norm.
I agree up to the part where you blame Obama for not coming up with a budget when that is the job of congress and for the last 13 years congress has been doing nothing but spending money on proxy wars,surveillance,and subsidies to corporations,and militarizing the local police, and hell bent on destroying the constitution and bill of rights and refuses to abolish the TSA,DHS,ATF,DEA,CIA ( those "departments are nothing but a waste of tax payers money and have been caught numerous times breaking state and federal laws like the local police which also need to be cut for the almost daily violations of people rights based on no probable cause or evidence or warrants.
Me and you are on the same page. I was using the budget as a catalyst of sorts to illistrate the ineptness of the current administration and the inability to give a **** that the last three years of Bush's administration exhibited.
...Of course Obama shares a lot of the blame for that. He is the President after all , and also therefor the leader of his party as well. He's expanded a lot of those things you have listed.
Yes but don't you get the feeling that it does not mater is there is a D or a R in front of their name that they are doing the same ****?
And IcE me and you are definitely on the same wavelength glad I'm not shouting into a vacuum.
You can nit pick on how each country gather there violent crimes data , I can show you data that shows England under reports violent crimes
and those charges and data come,s from Inspectorate of Constabulary
No mater how you want to spin things , The fact is England has 4 times higher crime rate then the USA
Crime rate in the USA has dropped 50+% in the last 10 years
At the same times more states have enacted concealed handgun laws
Gun sales and ownership are at an all time high
You missing the most important data of all , Guns are not the problem , Its people , The data shows the majority of crimes are committed by minorities
I can bet 90% of minorities are registered democrats or votes for democrats , so with those facts , I think we have a democrat issue not a gun issue lmao
^ Exactly, correlation does not imply causation.
People don't kill each other with guns, because they have guns. They use guns to kill because they want to kill. No amount of gun control can change the desire to kill. All it does is make it harder for innocent victims who obey the law (criminals don't obey the law by definition, especially those willing to murder) to successfully defend themselves from the killers or other violent acts.
So why don't you show me that alternate universe. Here, OECD assault deaths that are taken according to OECD criteria and are comparable:
Secondly, crime rate in all OECD countries has dropped over the past decade. Furthermore, gun ownership rates have been decreasing and the graph is still following the decline in crime; so having a gun is not decreasing the crime.
Now if you want, here is how an OECD chart would look if you broke the U.S. down into regions:
stop throwing your statistics at me.......
this thread be about health insurance
aint nobody got time for gun talk.
FFS. I swear some of you could ruin a wet dream. what is the f*ck does my health insurance plan getting canceled have to do with gun crime in the US???? If you can't keep on topic, kindly GTFO. k thx.