Headache 6800 to quadro 4000

Discussion in 'RivaTuner Advanced Discussion forum' started by Reaversword, Nov 19, 2005.

  1. Reaversword

    Reaversword Member

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    I've been one week reading thousands of post about 6800 to quadro 4000

    My conclusion is that i should download any 6x.xx ot 7x.xx quadro driver, use nvstrap of rivatuner, and istall it and reboot (for softquadro without bios or hard mod)
    I've read about antiprotections (anti-what?)
    And now (with RT 15.6 or 15.7) we shouldn't crack the drivers

    For other side. Maya users (like me) shouldn't wait most performance improvement than the specview show us.

    If I ask about an step by step you will tell to me that I haven't read the threads

    Should I supposse that the "idiot guide" was written by AlecRyben, but not about gf6800, it was written about geforces 5.xxx and geforce 4, and a little extension for 5600 and its "no quadro correspondence" Nv31. And we should apply this guide with 6800 and the news "full-of-surprises" drivers (6x.xx and).

    Are lot of people who says that softmod work perfect. But have a performance below of 30 in specview, where start to be dubs about the real working of softmod

    Some who have X performance with a gf6800 should get 2X performance with softquadro 4000 (In maya field of specview).

    The good chipset is NV40, nor NV 41, nor NV42 nor 48 nor other one

    The release of 4 extra pipelines of Gt/Ultra its done with the nvstrap of the RivaTuner

    And now I'm going to take my computer and do SOmEthiNg!!.
    I hope don´t burn neither the 6800 nor Pc nor my house

    I read many times: I've done this, and this other and my result are this, but rare i cand know HOW have done this. Am I so stupid?... I supose it.

    Have I written this trying demonstrate that I've read threads and can request a final guide of 6800 to quadro?

    Is this post a desperated scream of a step by step guide or a link to a the instructions of "how to" these or that?

    Perhaps, Posters of always, people who is tired of repeat always the same: Please, say or give the right links in one thread called 6800 to quadro FINAL or Ending-Story or something like that beacause a read a lot of information, agree and disagree information, lots of dates and nicks, and I only know that I'm gonna be CrAzY, in place of a quadro 4000 I'm gonna take a force-shirt and a 5x5 meters of quilted room.

    In all cases. Thanks to Unwinder, AlecRyben, Farmer Brown, Snead, Fozzylyon, Snowball, Subtestube, Prisoner881, XeonXT, Loafer87gt, Rectifier, MikeMcNuke, BluefireXp, and all people who I'm leaving

    Thanks for all, I know you are trying help to the lamers like me, not gonna us crazy.

    (Don´t think us that, when your heads are to the edge of boom, the incredible beautyfull and wonderfull that would be this world withing computers... ...but we were stinged by the little worm of 3d!!!! ooooh man!!!, what disaster!!)
     
  2. revilo

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    i hear ya man.. I have to agree the infomation is overwhelming to consume sometimes and that variations (even really minor ones) can throw people fully off track - as we dont know HOW it fully works and have limited comprehensions about over all how a graphics card works. Even though relative to the consumer market we think we do.
    Its hard to research things sometimes when you dont know what your are researching.

    I spent many many days researching my 9800 pro to a mod, and felt i got fairly clued up... and now come back here and its all gibberish again. There is a daisy chain of jargon, having to step through on thing requires you to read other threads to explain the meaning of something, that often refers to things youi are orginally trying to learn etc etc... its how foruming goes.

    For the gurus i can understand this must drive you dilly some times and understand you on that level. I teach maya and feel the same trying to explain things to people and have your most simplistic efforts come out as jargon to them, on almost a pathetic level.

    Ive only just started again looking into this forum for infomation and still will have to spend a lot of time learning. Im finding this very chanllenging as i dont have the card yet and 80% of things mentioned i cant SEE what people are taking about. Yet i dont want to go buy a card and relaise ohshhh.. wrong card - cant mod.

    I personally would like to find information regarding what cards have a track record of being moddable.eg nVidia GeForce 6 Serie / Asus GeForce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3 (PCI-e), Asus Extreme N6800GT.

    Its hard as half the time people seem uncertain about there mod, so i feel their "yay it works" can lack credibity. what? "yay" it says quadro...?? Yay it has boosted my maya performance 2x!?

    Also trying to find info regarding the 6800GS...

    Sorry gurus out there - This seems a forum to test the sanity of both you and people like us... al becuase of some pixels that we what to appeare twice as fast. personally dont like knowing my xyz card is exactly the same as 3Duber card - but having to sell my car because of some little electronic or software modifications. Its disgusting!
     
  3. Reaversword

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    Thx for your understanding revilo.

    Well:

    1) Take RivaTuner 15.3, Specviewperf8.1, and one of this quadro drivers
    RT’s NVStrap support:
    7120,7090,7041,6702,6693,6681,6672,6670,6651,6632,
    6631,6600,6591,6505,6177,6176,6171,6145 (I picked up 66.93)

    2) Install Specviewperf8.1 and execute it, when you get the result save it for future comparation.
    3) Install RivaTuner, start it, stop it, start it again
    4) click at rigth of first "customize" that you can read
    5) choose "low-level system settings"
    6) go to "NVStrap driver" tab
    7) click on "install"
    8) In "Graphics adapter identification" we should choose "custom", NOT quadro
    9) Activate "Use ROM straps for PCI DeviceID programming"
    10) Choose 004E (NVIDIA QuadroFX 4000) in roll-menu below "Use ROM straps..."
    11) Activate "Unlock professional capabilities"
    12) Acept, Ok, and Reboot
    13) Pick up the drivers and drag it with RigthMouseButton (RMB) to a folder in for example C/quadrodrivers, and select "Extract here" (Always you have installer Winrar in your computer)
    14) Go to Win Device Manager with RMB over "My PC" in "Hardware Tab", choose Screen Adapter (firs option of the list), which should be "standard vga" or something like this. RMB and choose "update driver", choose two times the second option, browse, and go to C/quadrodrivers (if you have unzipped the quadro driver in this folder), and choose nv4_disp.inf", accept, appear a Quadro 4000 fx, choose it and finalize. If your pc request it, reboot.
    15)In windows again, RMB on desktop for screen properties, Configuration tab, and "Advanced Options", if you're warned, accept, go to "trouble solve" tab (I work in spanish system, perhaps the traduction of the tab's name not is perfect), and drop in "Hardware acceleration" from none to complete. Accept, ok.
    16)Now, again RMB on desktop, screen properties, Configuration tab, Advanced Options, and this time we go to QuadroFX4000 tab, choose "OpenGL Configuration", Turn to "off by default" the Vertical synchronization, and ins custiomized configuration pick up your favorite Cad program (In my case, Maya), Acept all and reboot.

    17)Now benchmark again your system with Specviewperf8.1 and compare the results.
     
  4. Reaversword

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    After possible Softmod:

    Run All Summary

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 15.89

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
    catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 9.148

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 10.28

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7.955

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
    maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18.92

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 12.12

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
    sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 11.37

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 4.321


    Before possible softmod:

    Run All Summary

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 27.64

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
    catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 17.53

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18.36

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 14.21

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
    maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 30.32

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 39.63

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
    sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 20.59

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 35.20

    My subsystem diagnostic:

    $ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
    $ffffffffff Northbridge information
    $ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
    $0400000000 Description : Intel Placer
    $0400000001 Vendor ID : 8086 (Intel)
    $0400000002 Device ID : 2550
    $0400000003 AGP bus : revision 3.0
    $0400000004 AGP status : enabled
    $0400000005 AGP rate : 4x 8x supported, 8x selected
    $0400000006 AGP SBA : hardwired, enabled
    $0400000007 AGP FW : supported, enabled
    $ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
    $ffffffffff Display adapter information
    $ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
    $0000000000 Description : NVIDIA Quadro FX 4000
    $0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
    $0000000002 Device ID : 004e
    $0000000003 Location : bus 5, device 0, function 0
    $0000000004 Bus type : AGP revision 3.0
    $0000000005 AGP status : enabled
    $0000000006 AGP rate : 4x 8x supported, 8x selected
    $0000000007 AGP SBA : hardwired, enabled
    $0000000008 AGP FW : supported, enabled
    $0000000009 Base address 0 : fd000000 (memory range)
    $000000000a Base address 1 : c0000000 (memory range)
    $000000000b Base address 2 : fc000000 (memory range)
    $000000000c Base address 3 : none
    $000000000d Base address 4 : none
    $000000000e Base address 5 : none
    $ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
    $ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
    $ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
    $0100000000 Graphics core : NV40 revision A1 (16x1,6vp)
    $0100000001 Hardwired ID : 0041 (ROM strapped to 004e)
    $0100000002 Memory bus : 256-bit
    $0100000003 Memory type : DDR (RAM configuration 07)
    $0100000004 Memory amount : 262144KB
    $0100000005 Core clock : 351.000MHz
    $0100000006 Memory clock : 501.188MHz (1002.375MHz effecti...
    $0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz
    $010000000b HW masked units : none


    All is working?
    What is the function of Antiprotection?
    I can read in RivaTuner, in the same place where is the button at right of "Customize" this:

    256-bit NV40 (A1,16X1,6rp) wtih 256Mb DDR

    is it that 16 pipelines are ON?

    I suposse now should probe other drivers, and leave the highest performance with the maximum stability...
    I'm gonna probe...

    Thanks for all
     

  5. Reaversword

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    The new results with 71.84 drivers and RT 15.7 are:

    Run All Summary

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 31.20

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
    catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 23.77

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18.43

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 20.61

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
    maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 42.12

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 41.77

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
    sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 21.85

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 35.16


    better than 66.93, but i've read 71.84 are less stable than 66.93, Time to time, at this moment, two have great stability
     
  6. aleix

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    Hi guys!

    I completely agree with you Reaversword. It is overwhelming all those “guides” that are post in many posts in this and other forums.

    I actually bought a XFX Geforce 6800xt, 128 mb, AGP.
    I did buy this card after doing my research on which ones are the good to buy to modify on to Quadro. It uses the NV40 chip.

    I did follow all the “standard” processes to mod my geforce to quadro and “theorically” it is working fine, but my results are far to be on the average of other successful mods.


    My computer:

    Windows XP SP2 (genuine)

    2x Athlon MP 2800+
    2GB RAM (4 modules, corsair)
    MSI K7D Master- L (motherboard, AGP 4x) AMD 768 PCI bus master
    Enermax 460W
    XFX Geforce 6800 xt, 128 mb
    Audigy 2 ZS, Logitech Z-2300 THX
    Western Digital 36GB 10.000 rpm. (win xp and main installation unit)
    Segate 200 GB S-ATA
    Promise SATA 150 TX
    Maxtor 200 GB
    Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2045u (I use this configuration 1280x1024)



    Here are the results.

    Before moding to quadro.

    XFX Geforce 6800xt, 128 mb (200 euros)
    Drivers 78.01 (80s series do not work in my card, does anyone knows why?)

    Test: SpecView 8.1

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 9.931

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
    catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 6.764

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7.391

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7.577

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
    maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 12.10

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 8.125

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
    sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7.362

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 3.574


    Amazingly low results!! My god.
    My previous graphic card was a official mod Quadro DCC and actually did better I believe.


    Results with Quadro fx4000 softmod.
    Drivers: 71.84
    Vsync: off
    Professional capaibilities activated in Riva tuner 15.7.
    Computer detects Quadro fx4000, and running stable. But…..



    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 11.74

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
    catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 10.90

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 9.972

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 10.08

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
    maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 17.45

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 23.91

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
    sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 13.28

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 24.65



    Better than before but actually not even half of what people is getting in similar cards, even though what I’ve noticed is people are using 6800GT 256mb, and that might be the difference. Anyone can tell that?


    With all my research on each one of quadro modifications forums I did never see those results. Is that this 6800xt does not really work as Quadro fx4000?

    I would ask if is there no inconvenience that anyone that knows exactly what to do from step 0 (and I mean which drivers to install before moding to quadro for instance..) do we have to follow.
    There is a super clear website by one of our members that has a website on how to hard modify to quadro fx4000. It is great.

    http://www.newbietech.net/eng/qtoq/index.php


    But I am just asking if someone with knowledge and just a bit of patience would explain exactly how to it. Exactly which drivers to download. Where to download them and more specially how to certify that our Quadro mod succeeded. Those "stupid" steps that still give me some uncertainty in my process.

    There are many people having trouble and I really think is not that difficult, it is just a bit confusing sometimes and I believe we could speed up the process by some expert posting a definitive message on how to do it.

    And another question I have is that do you think it is worth it to buy a geforce 6800 GT, 256mb and Hard mod to quadro? ( I might have the chance to do it with an electrical engineer). Will I get better and reliable results then? Or I will get the same results as tuning it up with rivatuner.

    I can imagine how boring is to explain again and again the same story, and so I believe we all can save repetitive questions and requests.
    Thanks guys for your attention, and I will really appreciate all your comments so we can learn from you. (specially the masters).



    Thanks again to Unwinder which developed a great tool to help us all. Thanks man.
     
  7. Reaversword

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    Hey!. Your results are REALLY for down of the logical media!. It's ok that you have 128mb, but...

    In other side, xt is lowest version of Geforce... .... but...

    And you have increment. I don´t know what tell you...

    Have you well configured your Motherboard Bios (AGP size) or something like that?

    Try with other drivers like 66.93 for example, perhaps you can up your performance...

    You can find Rivatuners here http://ddl2.com/search.php
    (put in searcher "rivatuner").

    Drivers can be out from http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1566646&STARTPAGE=1&enterthread=y

    I did softquadro (Use for first time RivaTuner) with drivers of normal gforce. When card was recognized like "quadro", reboot, and one time in desktop, I uninstall "normal" drivers, reboot again, I did a folder in C: named "quadrodrivers", Unzipped quadro 66.93 drivers (if you have installed Winrar, with drag & drop with right mouse button you should be capable of unzipped it), and then, I went to the Device manager, update driver of graphic card, two times 2ºnd option, and pick up you "by hand" nv4_disp.inf. Choose quadro 4000 (only will appear this option), and finalize. Reboot. You should have a quadro 4000, enter in advanced options of screen properties and turn off Vertical sync.

    Later i unzipped drivers 71.84 in a folder in C: called "quadrodrivers71.84" and did the same operation with better result.

    I tryed with 77.56 (lastest maya WHQL cerfitied drivers), but neither quadro 4000 tab, nor proffessional capabilities appear me, so at the end I installed 71.84.

    For last. NOT you have some antivirus or some other software that is EaTiNg processor?

    I do mys test with a resolution of 1152x864 and 32bits, BUT specviewprf don't full (itself) the screen, (I supose that work at 1024x768)

    I don't know what more tell to you, I hope something of that help you....

    A Greeting
     
  8. Gamma

    Gamma Active Member

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    Also people using Maya on a 6800 modded quadro should try the new 81.89 forceware. It have me (6800 ultra to quadro) a nice little jump in viewport perfromance and while it isnt certified, it doesn't seem to have any problems.
     
  9. Reaversword

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    I've triyed with this drivers (downloaded from guru), but I can´t enable again OpenGL settings.
    How you can?
    RivaTuner says that haven't support yet for this drivers. Have you used NVstrap antiprotection or something like that?

    I want say one more thing. I've been testing with some frecuencies of core and memory and I've seen a little performance booster (in Maya and in Specviewprf from 42.12 to 43.03) with the frecuencies of the original quadro 4000 (325Mhz core and 700Mhz memories).

    Somebody happen the same?

    You can do over (or under for GT and Ultra) cloking doing this:
    Go to regedit>HKEY_ Local_Machine>Software>NvidiaCorporation>Global>NTweak
    is this folder right clik on right side of screen (where is the list of files of this folder)>New>Dword.
    Now open it (Double click) and in valor (0), you should PUT 3.
    close it, and close regedit

    Open screen propierties, advanced options, go to quadro 4000 tab, and in the list, you should have a new option where you can touch the frecuencies of your card. (6800 should have 325core and 700memory, GT350c&1000f, and Ultra 400c&1100m). If you have and GT or Ultra, try to underclocker your card to 325c&700m and do specviewprf.
    Please, if you see a little performance boost, post it here.

    CAUTION, you can burn your card if OVERclocked it more than 10-15 percent "GaMeRs", for overclock your card "good done" you should buy a NeW ENORMOUS cooler for your card, perhaps Leadtek buyers can take adventaje of his/her half kilo dissipator, Caution with our new pandora's box OK?
     
  10. aleix

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    Hi guys,

    I have to say that I was able to refund my money for my geforce 6800xt.
    I think it was a better option to get the money back and spend just a bit more of money to buy the GT version.

    I will get it this friday and I will test my results.

    The one I bought is PNY Geforce 6800 GT, 256 mb, AGP

    Two questions:
    -Does anybody know whether AGPx4 makes a real difference in comparison with AGPx8 ? my computer has AGPx4,

    -Does it make any difference to softmode or hardmode? Is it more reliable, stable, or problem free to hardmod? (i have an electrical engineer who could do it...). Please tell me if it is worth it.

    thnaks and keep you informed.




    My computer:

    Windows XP SP2 (genuine), all updates.

    2x Athlon MP 2800+
    2GB RAM (4 modules, corsair)
    MSI K7D Master- L (motherboard, AGP 4x) AMD 768 PCI bus master
    Enermax 430W
    PNY Geforce 6800 GT, 256 mb, AGP
    Audigy 2 ZS, Logitech Z-2300 THX
    Western Digital 36GB 10.000 rpm. (win xp and main installation unit)
    Segate 200 GB S-ATA (documents)
    Promise SATA 150 TX
    Maxtor 200 GB (media files)
    Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2045u (I use this configuration 1280x1024)
     

  11. Lord Banshee

    Lord Banshee Master Guru

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    AGP 4x shouldn't make much of a difference.

    Just use the softmod, the hardmod isn't worth it has no increase in proformance.
     
  12. Reaversword

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    Hi Aleix, I believe that the difference from 8x to 4x is at 15% of performance.
    You can do three mods: Hardmod, Biosmod and Softmod

    Harmod:
    Pros: You ALWAYS will have a quadro, wich all operative systems, in all conditions,
    Contras: You are putting in danger your card, you'll never got again the same performance in games than with gf6800gt

    Biosmod:
    Pros: The same that hardmod
    Contras: You are putting in danger your card, you can do a security copy of your 6800bios, but the integrity of your card will be in hands of a fu**ing diskette, if power down during operation, goodbye to the card (if you have a Sai, better)

    Softmod:
    Pros: You get the same performance that quadro, and NOT are putting in danger your card. You can get two operative systems, one for work (with softmod), and one for play (withing softmod), so you will have two cards in one, and you will use the two when you want.
    Contras: If you change, or format your Operative System, you need repeat softmod.

    I recommend to you Softmod (and I use it).

    A Greeting Aleix.

    Reaversword

    If someone have something to add at this post or believe I have posted something bad, please, post it, (I need know it too). ;-D
     
  13. Athfar

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    Ok, what is with the lack of "good" english on this post? Is everyone who works with Maya / 3Dmax Peruvian or something?

    Anyway, I'm going to order (atleast I want to order) a 6800gt PCIe and softmod it to do the Quadro 4000 features. Now, my questions are as follows:

    What 6800GT should I get if I want to softmod the card (any specific revision?)?
    Is there any disadvantage to softmodding vs hardmodding the card?
    Does softmodding work with SLI?

    Now I'm returning a 7800GTX because the second DVI port is bad (its red, tested everything its the card...) we haven't come up with any Quadro tweaks for this i'm guessing right?
     
  14. Reaversword

    Reaversword Member

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    You need some 6800gt that have the chipset "NV40", like Asus or Leadtek.
    The disadventage is that if you change your operative system, you'll need softmod again, if you refer to the original quadro, I believe that materials of this card are better (better heatsink, better metals, better plastics), but the worst price.
    If softmod works in SLI i don´t know, I doubt it, (if maya/max are not prepared for it...), anyway, this is not a question for a 3d creator like me, try ask it to Unwinder and then come tell us this answer.

    That I know, 7800 mod will be impossible, in words of Unwinder, He should "hardmod" the chipset itself. The truth... he is tired of all this, if he said this because he wan't continue, it´s ok, if he said this because is the truth, it's ok again. I supose that He is in right of do that he wants. In all this years only he has seen lots of "thanks" and not a f***ing $... that's all for this time.
     
  15. Athfar

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    Uhm, I understood the first sentence and the last sentence of that...

    I've heard that only OpenGL does better for the 3Dlabs / Quadro / other workstation cards... Uhg, I just don't know what to do... I want to stay with a PCIe card, but it seems that the 3Dlabs cards do the best for the money (with exception of the 800 series PCIe thats $2000)...

    Plus, if I am switching newegg is going to bitch about a restocking fee, even though all they are going to do is ship the thing back to XFX because its defective. I am close to just telling the dude, "yea I found out that the 7800GTX still does pretty badass because it uses directx in 3dmax." So I will be done with it.
     

  16. Reaversword

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    I Understand, Athfar, like you say, the final choose is your, but If this can help you... (about 3dlabs)
    I have a Wildcat VP 880 Pro, this is a good card, works fine, and his performance is always present in Maya environment (the half of quadro 4000), 3dlabs have better performance/price for pros, BUT 3dlabs I warn you is an elitist company, this meaning: If you buy an realzim, you'll have support for your realzim, but when realzim would be "old" for a NEW card type, automatic you would be "out" of your support (e-mail to 3dlabs...), you will see like all its responses finalize in "buy our new card if you want continue in bleeding edge". Or at least, I see much difference from my wildcat Vp to the realzims in support service.
    If you want a Wilcat Vp 880 256Mb... say it to me (the truth is that wilcat and my mobo Asus PP-DLW don´t are very friends, you can see it in Bios update in Asus web, and always had problems of Windows Blue Screens, till, at the end, Quadro 4000/6800 gt comes...)

    Sorry about the "english lack", but this fu**ing spanish man is all that can do for help us.

    A Greeting Athfar. ;-p
     
  17. dapperdan

    dapperdan Active Member

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    Why don't you guys buy some decent quadro @ ebay if you can't succeed ?
    I bough one for one of my computers (quadro 3000 for 400$).
    I've been softmodding my cards for a long time and I always got great results from ti4200, 4600, fx5800 to 5900xt and I can tell you my 5900xt does a better job on 3dsmax then the quadro I bought cause I can even use maxtreme drivers from nvidia on it and I did comparisons.
    It's been a long time I didn't come here using the search engine, you'll be able to look at results obtained with RT on softmodded gaming card !
    One thing, always read the help file on RT and look at the cards listed in before doing anything.

    Wish you success !
     
  18. okayturtle

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    Really cool guys.. this is probably the more informative thread i've come across. Thanks Reaver for that quick step by step post. I am going to try to soft quadro a 6800ultra pcie to an fx3400. wish me luck!
     
  19. PrinceGaz

    PrinceGaz Maha Guru

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    Whilst I don't use professional 3D rendering apps, I was curious to see if the Quadro OpenGL driver would solve the v8x.xx GeForce OpenGL dual-core problem with certain apps (they hang or freeze for several minutes when started), and it was successful. At least PaintShop Pro 9 started up normally with the v81.67 Quadro drivers after doing the mod, whereas previously the v81.95 GeForce drivers (as with all previously tested v8x.xx drivers) caused PaintShop Pro to hang.

    In RivaTuner (2.0RC15.8), under NVStrap driver I selected 'Quadro' as the Graphics adapter identification, and ticked Use ROM straps, and also ticked Unlock professional capabilities. When installing the v81.67 driver I forced it to choose 'Quadro FX 3400/4400' despite it wanting to select 'GeForce 6800 Series GPU' (I have a PCIe 6800GT).

    To confirm that the drivers had installed properly and I was getting the full Quadro extras I ran SPECviewperf 8.1 before and after (it was evident something had changed as soon as I checked the settings as the options available in the driver control panel under 'Performance & Quality settings' was much different. Both sets of tests were with VSync disabled, and at 6800GT stock-speeds of 350/1000.

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    Run All Summary (v81.95, GeForce 6800 Series GPU)

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18.23

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
    catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 11.99

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 13.01

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7.711

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
    maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 4.475

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 13.35

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
    sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 14.92

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 4.691

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    Run All Summary (v81.67, Quadro FX 3400/4400)

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 38.96

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
    catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 30.88

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 30.75

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 25.17

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
    maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 63.22

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 57.64

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
    sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 30.10

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 35.26


    Definitely seems to have speeded things up a bit :)
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2005
  20. loop29

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    Guys, there are two ways you can go, first and foremost what you need is a card with a NV40 chip on the board, doesn´t matter if it is PCI-E or AGP. How to find out before you buy a card? You can´t cause it is difficult to find out because you can´t have a look at the card or the chip before you buy it. If you have it installed you can find out with Rivatuner, afaik everything above nv40 can´t be modded due to hardcoded registers on the GPU. Anyway, if you go for a card with AGP interface you will be able to fully mod the card into a Quadro (only nv40), which means you will be able to change the PCI_Device_ID to quadro, this won´t work on PCI-E cards because there is a bridge chip on it which nails the PCI_Device_ID for nv40 PCI-E cards. But you will be able to unlock pro capabilities for the card. The difference is only that your card will not be identified as a quadro under windows, but you will have opengl panel for professional applications in the advanced driver properties. With an AGP-card you will be able to change the PCI_Device_ID and windows will detect your card as a Quadro FX 4000 if you use a 6800 LE/GT/Ultra, can´t speak for the newer cards. And you will get advanced opengl properties too. The only application I know is the maxtreme driver for 3dsmax which checks for correct PCI_Device_ID on installation.

    regards
     

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