H670, B660 and H610 chipset specs leaked

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Chipsets based on the Intel H670, B660, and H610 will be announced next month, and the famed dataminer momomo us has now revealed specifications, confirming what can be expected from motherboards base...

    H670, B660 and H610 chipset specs leaked
     
  2. Undying

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    B660 + i5 12400 should be pretty good setup. AMD really needs to counter that somehow with new zen3+.
     
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    Agonist Ancient Guru

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    Screw intel still needing a z board for overclocking.
    Yawn.
    Yawn, more yawn.
     
  4. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    no overclock needed to wreck amd at any pricepoint atm
     
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    You are talking like AMD doesnst do any bullshit with their cpus. At least with intel you can get the same speed on on lower tier cpus and higher tier ones. It dirives me nuts that a R5 is a whole 300mhz slower than a R9 one and lets not start on the BS that it cant even get to the advertised frequencies.
     
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    That guy is always posting nonsensical fanboy responses.
    Best to ignore IMO.
     
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    @vazup 300 whole mhz ??? Oh noes the scores in cinebench will be like 5% lower our favourite game ! Zomg intel does it too look https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/core-i5-12600k-processor-review,2.html the i5 12600 is 400 ! FOUR HUNDRED Mhz lower than the i9 12900 the i7 is 300mhz lower oh the humanity ! Vazup you are up to something , it seem this rabbit hole goes deep both gpus and cpus lower skus have lower frequencies ,where are our stolen mhz? Why companies abduct em? Where do they keep em ?

    #freethemhz #releasethemhz #theliesareoveramdintelnvidia #freedomforthemhz
     
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  8. Dazz

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    While it is interesting, more so for OEM's where they can skimp on things and while the B660 will be cheaper than a Z690 it will still be more expensive than B450's and B550's but since the 12400 has lower clock speeds and can't overclock, while you can on B450/B550's. I wouldn't be surprised that the 5600X's come down in price once the replacement 5600X with 3D cache comes out and since you can get 4700Mhz all core vs 4200 (maybe less) all core on the i5. Guess time will tell in how much the 5600X price comes down and if it can continue to compete. Thus far from initial benchmarks, the 3600x and 12400 are more or less on par but in some cases the higher clock speed the 5600X comes out on top. Fun times for budget builds.
     
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    To have both around me, the lowest price with intel is around 100 Euro more than AMD lowest one (despite cpu cost a bit more and have 2 more core)...
    AND they are more hard to get in stock...
    The good point is that they have IGP...
    And about "wrecking" one or other... they are almost similar exept on a point or two, so you just have to take a benchmark or another to "wreck" the evil oposite of your favorite brand (it work with both side of fanboy).
     
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  10. kakiharaFRS

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    can't wait for youtubers to recommend H610 because "it's cheaper" :rolleyes:
     
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  11. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    weird
    is 3600 100eur cheaper than 11400f ?
    is 5600x 100eur cheaper than 12600?

    what are you talking about,intel is cheaper and faster for a budget b560 build.

    https://www.touslesprix.com/comparer/fiche5359766.html
    https://www.touslesprix.com/comparer/fiche5819654.html

    and 20eur more expensive for a b660,but also faster in gaming than a 5900x,even in ddr5 4400 gear2 mode.
    on ddr4 gear1 it's gonna be even faster.

    Core i5-12600K im.png
    https://www.touslesprix.com/comparer/fiche6324519.html
    https://www.touslesprix.com/comparer/fiche4869501.html

    as for having more cores,that's 3700x,and there is an option to buy 10700 on the intel side too.

    the overclocking on b-boards argument that @Agonist is making is really silly when amd have not released anything for budget gamers in the 150-250 range since 3600.Yes you can't oc 11400 or 12400,but at least they're there,providing exceptional fps per dollar value.Meanwhile amd is still milking 5600x at 300eur when 11400f is 180eur and 5% slower.
     
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  12. Dazz

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    Well lets hope the boards are better than the B560's what a dumpster fire that is, getting a decent board that can handle power limits with alot of the boards struggling to hit even advertised speeds Can't really judge on price yet because there are none to go by. So not sure where you are getting an extra $20 from, the B560's weren't even decent till the $130 range and the $100 and less are AVOID at all costs as the VRM gets very toasty 90~106C+ because they don't even have heatsinks. PCIe gen 5 also needs a minimum of 6 layer PCB, then increased cost of the chipset. Did i also mention the lack of I/O and very limited SATA/M.2 connectivity? While sure it might be ok in e-sports games or something lightly threaded but once you use more cores they are gonna struggle. In the modern age no one has a computer just doing gaming but they do alot of other things in the background, like DRM which can be quite CPU intensive and is running even if the gamer is unaware of it.

    All i can hope for is that B660 is much better than the B560, to be worse would be quite an achievement but since they are already have to have a 6 layer PCB making them already expensive before factoring in chipsets etc they could be worse with cutting back on VRM's and cooling.
     
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    AMD don't have enough chips to play low end Right now. Its sad, but there isn't any competition in budget segment now but You can't go wrong with 12th gen intel if you get 150$ mobo with pcie4 and ddr4 ,its all you need.
     
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  14. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    just like b550 really,there is no difference.if you buy a board under 100eur,you get what you pay for.don't know what your point is here.yes,you should avoid cheap boards that are made cheaply.

    the best value boards are not the cheapest ones around 100eur,it's the 200eur ones that offer a full set of features of every generation without the obscene price tag of rog/strix/meg/classified/aorus series.
     
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  15. Dazz

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    CPU + Motherboard = $$$ Everyone is focusing on just the CPU cost but what good is if you have to spend much more on a motherboard and to take advantage of the CPU. Also i have seen a MSI Tomahawk II B450 motherboard for £60 on amazon, granted you don't have PCIe Gen 4 or 5 but you have saved £60 already there after all graphics cards are plenty happy with PCI gen 3 with 16x lanes and the board is more than capable of handling a 5950X overclocked.

    Intel: CPU 11600K £186 - MB £130 = £316
    AMD CPU 5600X £269- MB £60 = £329

    Notice how the Processor has now gone from a 3600X to a 5600X +board for slightly more than a 11600K and + board yet the 5600X is much better than the 11400F
     
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  16. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    yeah you you're comparing a worse b450 mobo,and a one-off deal you've seen at that.
    b450 is also missing connectivity,something you used as an argument for amd but conveniently fofgot about it when picking a b450.b560 should be compared to b550.
     
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    I disagree, the B450 Tomahawk II Max is the newer revision, not the old B450 Tomahawk Max which was garbage. While both have 4+2 VRM, the Max II has 80 amp power stages while the older model has 60amp a bigger CMOS chip from 16Mbit to 32Mbit, and a newer Realtek audio chip. As noted I said if you don't care about PCI Gen 4 and presently PCI gen 3 16x is more than enough for a Geforce 3090, you still get USB 3 Gen 2.

    Although I can understand the bad stigma from Tomahawk Max has carried over to Tomahawk II Max but even HW unboxed have said that the first one TOMAHAWK MAX was capable of running a 3950X overclocked to all core 4.3GHz at 96C (in case) which is below the thermal throttle of a 105C so the Tomahawk II Max can only be better since it has larger power stages but it was later to market.

    The point is with older motherboards being much cheaper and are still just as capable you can save money elsewhere if you choose carefully.
     
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    Its still very limited in connectivity,it has pcie3 for gpus and pcie2 for nvme off pch.b660 has pcie5 and pcie4,plus better vrm.not even close to comparable.
    And better boards come with features like front USB c connector or bios flash button
     
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    I build just a few weeks ago PC for my friend based on 11400f and B560, there are few good boards there no problem at decent price but not 100E :) But for 150 E you can get really decent board , that can handle 11900k in the future if you need upgarde.
    I got Gigabyte B560 aorus pro for him .

    But he is right many boards were mess and low quality , but i think expectations that you can run top CPU ( and power hungry one) on 100E board is other thing :D - also Intel to blame with marketing a bit :)
     
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    The M.2 is PCI gen 3 not 2 as this is connected directly to the CPU like the first PCIe Gen 3 16x slot, the 2nd PCIe 16x slot is however, Gen 2 but considering less than 1% of people use crossfire/SLI it's unlikely to be a problem for the vast majority of people more so with budget broads and it also has the BIOS Flashback button, although true there is no USB-C front port.

    https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/mb/global/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX-II.pdf

    As for VRM i sure hope it's better because there are no boards released to the public of even pictures of boards on the B660 chipset, but then i was comparing your i5 11400F + B560 board to a Ryzen 5600X + B450 and was comparing how a CPU that's priced cheap like the 11400F but has very bad cheap boards and getting to the range of OK,they increase the cost significantly, hence why I choose a B450 on the Ryzen platform which is older but has more than enough to power a 5600X and even overclock it, while for the 11400F as you can't really overclock it but you want a board that can at least remove the power limits to get the most out of it so 120w power to the CPU with alot of B650 boards fail to do that and some will not budge past 65w. Although i was wrong it did say 11600k but i meant 11400f.

    Can't compare something like a 12500F/12600F + B660 because we have no real pricing or motherboard layouts/cooling info yet till the NDA is lifted.
     

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