GTX 285 SLI to GTX 460 SLI - Good idea?

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  1. Shagula

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    First off, i was running TRI SLI, but one card was donated to missus PC (Shakes fist). So down to 2... Things were good until the fan on another died... (Shakes fist again) Now im only using 1 GTX 285... :puke2:

    1 wont cut it. I need new cards now :bang:

    I've changed motherboards and PSU so i can only run 2 cards max and i only have an 850watt PSU to play with. My choices are either:

    2x5850 (ASUS DirectCu TOP Edition, Saphire TOXIC ~$750aud)
    2x460 (Gainward GLH, Galaxy KFA2-810mhz, Palit Sonic Plat ~$600-$650aud)

    I dont mind paying for pre overclocked cards as these are somewhat cheaper than my 285s were at 650 each when i got them :bang:

    There seems to be some sense in going from a 275/285 to a single 460 (Power/Heat/DX11/32x Anti Aliasing), so im guessing it would be even better for an SLI setup thanks to the 4XX series SLI scaling? What are your thoughts on performance vs my old SLI 285s or 5850s in SLI? Is it worth spending the extra and getting 5850s?
     
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  3. Shagula

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    Somehow i had not read that article yet :3eyes: After all the hours of looking into things...

    As it states "If our earlier articles have not proved it yet, this one surely puts the final nail in the coffin"

    Im sold... now which brand :)
     
  4. gor1l1a

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    Here in the states I always buy EVGA, but the cards they use in that article come with a hell of an overclock. Although EVGA has also released a bios update as seen here recently in the News section. Even reference cards overclock well from what I've read. Either way you're going to spend less for two GTX 460's than you did for one of your 285's brand new 6 months ago. Awesomeness!
     

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    I WOULD SAY WAIT, just get a after market cooler
    -even if 2 460 1gigs were a $100.00 I wouldn't waste my money [$100.00] on crippled cards .don't let a lot of these cherry picked benches get to your wallet.[these reviews are going nuts over a 200.00 card = to the price\power of a 285\4890 used , I don't get it myself ,except for the fact they can save 50.00 us.and they like nvidia ,they don't care about your money, if they did they would run new benches with the 285's\4890's and not use old can benches with old drivers and unpatched games from past reviews.
    -in real life I really don't think you could tell in games if you have 2x460's or 2x285's
    -come the 4Q some real cards should be out,I hope
    I have that same power with my 2 gtx 285's and looking for more ,not what I had last year ,same with you.
    - no dx11 ,haven't needed it yet.
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king
    --285sli beats them all in one screwed up bench that keeps on getting copied and pasted. lol
    --just my take on it , I want new cards to water cool , but these are not them.or any 4xx listed today.
    and with ati's new products coming and the full 460's\480's coming , I'll keep my money in my pocket.
     
  7. gor1l1a

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    While I agree that you probably won't notice a huge difference in FPS unless you watch your Fraps fps counter, lets not forget the difference between DX11 compared with DX10. I don't know of many people who forked over $1000 usd for three GTX 285's that don't want to stay on the cutting edge. The only issue I have with the GTX 460's is that you can only run them in 2x SLI. Which is an obvious "restriction" Nvidia has placed on the cards so that you can't buy three of them for $600 achieve the performance of 2x GTX 480 in SLI($1000 retail), with less power. And if the 512sp version of the gtx 480 (or gtx 485 as some speculate) uses 644 watts of power (under load PER GPU) then we need to start calling our electricians, and start lobbying our elected officials to re-instate Nuclear Power Plants.
     
  8. Peter Buxu

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    keep your 285's m8t..........until next generation cards come out, you're still pretty good..........keep your moeny for a later upgrade man ;)
     
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    Of course! I fully agree. I too have a pair of 285's and have seen the comparisons to a pair of 1G 460's and it is not a significant improvement to justify giving up your 285's. Definitely wait for NVIDIA to release a real upgrade.
     
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    I ended up getting 2 of these, $550aud... for both. It was easier than having to buy an aftermarket cooler for one of my 285s and then try to fit it in. I also sold the 2 x 285s for $300aud :D

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    That is somewhat of a performance increase, sure its only Crysis which i dont play, but its an increase :). I'm hoping to get 850-900mhz on the cores of the 460s so they should FLY :)
     

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    Asus GTX 460 Direct CU 1gb

    So i just got my new 460s and ran some tests (Borrowed the other 285 from my missus PC)

    My testing specs are:
    i7 920 @ 3.2ghz (My everyday overclock)
    Asus P6T OC
    12GB ram
    1GB Samsung 7200rpm in Raid 0
    Asus Essence STX
    Zalman 850watt PSU

    I have AA and AF set as application controlled in the Nvidia Control panel
    I have set Texture Filtering to High Quality
    The overclocks i use 24/7 are (So i will test at these clocks):
    The GTX 285s (1GB Models) are running at 700mhz core
    The GTX 460s (1GB Models) are running at 800mhz core, I've had them at 900 :D
    Im running the WHQL 258.96 drivers for all cards

    I only tested games with built in benchmarks as i live in the land of slow internet (Australia) and my net is capped for the month.

    ARMA 2 "Benchmark 1" 1920x1200 3D Res 1920x1200 Everything set to high, Draw distance 3600

    285 SLI AVG: 44
    460 SLI AVG: 46

    Batman Arkham Asylum 1920x1200 8xAA Everything Maxed, Physx High

    285 SLI AVG: 72 MIN: 43 MAX: 99
    460 SLI AVG: 89 MIN: 52 MAX: 121

    Company of Heroes 1920x1200 DX10 8xCSAA Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 139.4 MIN: 69.5 MAX: 268.0
    460 SLI AVG: 152.3 MIN: 72.2 MAX: 298.0

    Counter Strike Source 1920x1200 16QxSAA Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 286.62
    460 SLI AVG: 290.78

    DIRT 2 1920x1200 DX10 8xMSAA Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 96.0 MIN: 50.8
    460 SLI AVG: 119.1 MIN: 95.3

    Far Cry 2 "Ranch Small" 1920x1200 DX 10 8xAA Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 77.12 MIN: 59.02 MAX: 108.90
    460 SLI AVG: 124.62 MIN: 90.95 MAX: 168.18

    Just Cause 2 "Dark Tower" 1920x1200 4xAA Everytyhing Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 49.09
    460 SLI AVG: 46.14

    Resident Evil 5 "Fixed Benchmark" 1920x1200 DX10 16xQAA Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 97.8
    460 SLI AVG: 120.1

    Street Fighter 4 1920x1200 16xQAA Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 112.28
    460 SLI AVG: 183.40

    Warhammer Dawn of War 2 1920x1200 Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 64.7 MIN: 9.9 MAX: 134.1
    460 SLI AVG: 62.90 MIN: 34.7 MAX: 133

    World in Conflict 1920x1200 16xCSAA Everything Maxed

    285 SLI AVG: 65 MIN: 16 MAX: 176
    460 SLI AVG: 73 MIN: 16 MAX: 178

    Some close numbers, some big wins also. I just thought i'd post this for anyone that was curious. Overall i'm very very happy. The old 285s used to be loud as hell, run at 85 degrees in most games. These 460s are pretty much always silent, i can hardly ever hear a thing over the other case fans, they also idle in the high 20s and max out in the low 60s (Even with 800mhz core clock). Infact they run so nice and cool i can probably take out some of my case fans to lower the noise coming out of the case :D. Very happy with the purchase, i highly recommend them to anyone else!
     
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  12. BigBlockTowncar

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    I bought my GTX285 on 6/19/09 on newegg for 339usd which included call of duty 5 and a rebate. Can you buy from newegg in Australia?
     
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    Newegg.com does not currently ship internationally; they only deliver to locations within the United States and to Puerto Rico.

    Been thinking of going 2 460s myself. But the 2gb golden sample from Gainward.

    I did think i found a new XFX gtx280 on ebay. Won it. But now the seller has gone quiet. no replies, wont accept paypal payments ?? Thinking it's a scammer?

    So now i'm thinking of 2x2gb-460s.
     
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    Thanks for this topic!!! I was considering the exact same thing! :)
     
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    I was considering the 2gig models also but it turns out the 1gig model in SLI is enough to play games like BC2 with 32xAA in 1920x1080 anyway (was also $50aud cheaper per card) which is interesting as my 285s in SLI struggled to play it with low levels of AA. Im pretty sure games like GTA4 and AVP would like the extra ram though. Still very very happy with the purchase. After a bit of tweaking i have the cores at 900mhz and they dont go over 70 degrees C in gaming :D
     

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    I'm trying to decide over these for a 2 way SLI.

    EVGA GeForce GTX460 - 1GB GDDR5 - (763MHz, 3800MHz)
    256-bit, 2xDVI, 1xMini-HDMI, PCI-Ex16 v2.0, Fansink - SuperClocked EE Edition $333.60

    Gainward GeForce GTX460 - 2GB GDDR3 - (700MHz, 1800MHz)
    256bit, VGA, 2xDVI, HDMI, PCI-Ex16 v2.0, Fansink - GS Edition $339.00

    Galaxy GeForce GTX460 - 1GB GDDR5 - (810MHz, 2000MHz)
    256-bit, 2xDVI, PCI-Ex16 v2.0, Fansink - Super Overclocked Edition $351.65

    MSI GeForce GTX460 - 1GB GDDR5 - (725MHz, 3600MHz)
    256-bit, 2xDVI, 1xMini-HDMI, PCI-Ex16 v2.0, Cyclone Edition $352.95
     
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    And the GTX460 Hawk by MSI ?
     
  18. Deathspank

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    its not a bad upgrade when you consider it'll slightly faster with more overclocking head room, less power being drawn from the mains, smaller card so better airflow, can activate the dx11 feature in dx11 games, less heat even when overclocked so your intire rig should be cooler and more stable plus the bragging rights of having a 4series card.
     
  19. Shagula

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    I care about all of those things except the bragging part ;)

    Some more subjective things i have noticed is that it really does feel like the 460s are faster than the 285s in EVERYTHING (Its not just because i bought a 120hz monitor recently).

    Metro 2033 is 'playable' in 1920x1080 DX11 With everything maxed except for 2xMSAA and Physx Off. The 285s couldnt even play it well in DX10 with AA completely off. Sure its not 60fps solid but for the money i paid its very very nice.

    Bad Company 2 runs much much smoother, as i said before, 285s struggled in DX10 with HBAO off and 2xAA, 460s play fine with HBAO on and 32xAA in DX11...

    Batman Arkham runs much better and i can throw any level of AA at it. 285s wouldnt do more than 8 or it would run like crap.

    I upped my everyday CPU overclock from 3.2 to 3.6 today which has helped even more. The cards run at 850mhz core in game and run about 20 degrees cooler than the 285s while also staying quieter... After making the purchase i find it hard to believe how much better things are now.

    Very happy GTX460 owner here :)
     

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