Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by jgomez7238, Mar 29, 2010.
I lol'd imagining this... xD
Thnx for the many replies. Apart from the Grizzly's amazing strength, it is a very skilled wrestler too. Check this video out of a Bear taking down a Caribou also known as a reindeer. This grizzly is not even considered one of the big ones and look at the power and skill in taking down that thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTdp7Ep6AM&feature=related
also this one Grizzly and a mother cougar go at it for a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MuFDVEUro&feature=related
A guy near me has a private zoo.At one time he had three grizzly's he let us (my family) get to know as cubs.We'd bottle feed them and play with them when they were little, but had to stop when they got bigger.At a few months they were too strong for him to risk public contact.It was amazing though.Cute little guys, but such deadly potential.
I think people are missing out on several factors.
1) Average grizzly bear size for adult male in springtime is ~500 lbs
2) largest or "strongest" humans...look at someone like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wight
Now, I'm not saying he is the strongest or even the biggest, but just an example that a Human CAN be just as big and potentially (depending on the size of the bear and the amount the person lifts weights) be stronger than the bear (at least in terms of fighting power)
3) I think we are all assuming this is a cage match fight...which I wouldn't be so quick to assume. You could just as easily match a bear/man in the open range/forest
While the bear has an EXCELLENT scent of smell (20times better than a blood hound), the human has a much better capacity for intelligence. An avid outdoors man and hunter could easily set traps and other things that could basically render the bear to use its claws/jaws on a person
Then you also have the factor should this be an outdoor match, while the bear can sprint faster than any human (over 40mph) humans are built for endurance running (though you could argue strongest man isn't gonna run marathons). Even if the human isn't an endurance runner, 4 legged creatures use more energy than 2 legged creatures and thus 2 legged creatures can run longer with the same energy.
4) Finally whether a bear or human is handicapped in any way (such as declawed or muzzled or not allowed to have a knife/sword) even if one or the other would win....you would still see the "winner" badly hurt. If the human won even if the bear was muzzled/declawed they are gonna have some pretty good internal bleeding and broken ribs from claw swipes. And if the bear wins, it could easily bleed out if the man had even just a knife.
5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU& (the bear quits and runs away in fear after he realizes who he is REALLY fighting)
The largest populations are found in coastal areas where weights are as much as 550 kg (1,200 lb). Populations found in Katmai National Park and the Alaskan Peninsula may approach or just exceed 680 kg (1,500 lb)
you would need mooseknuckle for that
^ LOL, you easily trumped the picture I posted. It just hurts to look at that photo.
As far as man(unarmed) vs a full grown Grizzly Bear, there is NO WAY a man would win, it's not even close. How some of you could even think that it's even remotely possible..... Well I'd like some of what your smoking.
I know how big they can get...I said their average size, which I had just looked up. Sure put the biggest grizzly vs a human and even with guns we can lose. But I was saying lets take a "average" sized bear.
As I said before...sometimes human trickery can win the day (as in with this video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG02fwZBflw
1:17 "come on kids!"
Great thread btw, but, bear wins. Man needs guns.
I think bear skin gives him too much protection vs human attacks.
Only valid attack would be to bears skull
I think this should clear it up, a bear lifting an 800 pound boulder with 1 paw...
the bear would lose... even to this kid...
All the bear needs to do is give the human one clawless swipe across the head and it'd shatter the skull into one million pieces. :3eyes:
Not really any discussion in this.
As someone who has extensive knowledge and experience with the hunting and killing of bears, I will offer my opinion on this though I find the whole topic to be hilarious.
An adult brown bear boar can break the neck of an adult bull moose with one swipe of its paw.
Without a ‘smoke pole’ or a good spear, a human being, even one with incredible strength and fighting skills, has very little chance again a brown bear even if said bear is declawed and muzzled. The brown bear is just too large and powerful.
Jet Li could kick a Brownie in the head until his leg fell off and it would have very little effect on the bear; the bears skull is too thick and its neck muscles are very strong. A bear’s body consists of dense bone and is covered with a heavy layer of muscle, sinew and fat so body shots are out as well.
Even if the bear in question was a black bear, I would still put my money on the bear.
Fine the bear has the right to his claws and not being muzzled but I get to use a buck-shot shotty and a M16A2 with AP rounds, deal?
EDIT: I'll even be nice enough and say that the bear has the rights to the same weapon as me!
No chance against this bear, smarter than average.
I worked for a zoo for a few years in my early 20's, we had large cats and some bears.
I would often go inside with them and I can 100% tell you the bear is so much stronger then any man, hand vs paw, bear wins 99% of the time.
The biggest bear we had was a black bear who was maybe 7feet standing up and around 600lbs.
I am a large man, 6'5" 280lbs(at the time) and he would push me around with ease, when I would be in his enclosure, I am sure he could have took me out if he had wished.
Yup.Near the last stages of our playing with the bears (see post # 43) They were about 60-80 lbs, and roughly as big as large breed dogs, they were getting very strong.I stopped letting my daughter have contact with them when their claws started getting sharp, and shortly after, I had to stop too.Even as cubs, they are strong.A full grown?- I can't imagine....
In order for this to be fair, you'd have to train the bear in fighting techniques. Also, you'd need to find a way to bring it to the gym. Strongest + most skilled vs average = not fair! I don't care what species you are! Train the bear in elite combat tactics and get it to bench a thousand pounds. RAWR!!!
I’m not so sure I would take on a bear, brown or black, with just a ‘poodle shooter’ like an M16 even if loaded with steel core ammo or a 12 gauge with 00 buck shot however; having said that, both a far superior to a sharp stick, a stout club or bare hands so if you are willing to give it a shot, I would be happy to set up high in a tree stand with my Remington in 458 Win Mag and film your attempt at it.