Global Warming

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  1. blue5

    blue5 Banned

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    Science is growing and changing and learning. Its not sticking its head in the sand and ignoring facts. Alma, I realized that with these guys its a paradox. They call people who show them that the phenomenon isn't occurring at a natural rate alarmist, and in at the same time lay blame immediately on the developing nations. So which is it, is it occurring or not?

    The reason the US administration is squarely to blame here is that they are openly denying it when their scientists are showing them otherwise. Here is a fiction;terrorism and supposed weapons of mass destruction. Its amazing how they have a habit of mixing up fact and fiction.
     
  2. alma

    alma Master Guru

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    Beware of Classic Satch, he has guns with him :)

    Irony in progress
     
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  3. Classic Satch

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    Hey there blue. Terrorism is not a "fiction." Just ask the families of the thousands of victims worldwide, including over 3000 here on my birthday 6 years ago. But, that's a different argument for a different day. Just how much evidence to I have to provide to have you guys see the light on this fraud?

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3061015&page=1

    Jeez buddy, just how much crap did your college prof's force upon you? I confronted and stopped my prof's in their tracks when they tried to interject their insane political views into classroom discussion.
     
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    I have your links provided in a movie of about an hour, maybe then people will understand it has nothing to do with us, i was a beleiver as well that humans could do this but after seeing this movie, its just ridiculous i ever thought i could be a part of this...

    the movie issnt avaible at this time, there were at least 2 wich were an hour long, and one of about 50 minutes, both of 60 minutes are no were to be found, and the 50 minute long is not available at this time...

    You can if you want watch all 8 parts on youtube, i know thats kinda irritating but it really is a good documentairy.

    http://video.google.com/videosearch...rming+swindle+documentary&num=10&so=0&start=0
     

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    Lol, you're actually 100% correct. A few in the house and one in the glove compartment, all entirely legal and I'm licensed to carry. :) Watch out blue! :D
     
  6. Paul L

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    Yeh like DU rounds aren't toxic biological nuclear weapons.. just heavy metal.
    On a side note New Scientist this week noted that some guy in a University in
    the US has said that after a study they conclude that if say
    100 Hirosima sized bombs were set off we'd lower the global temperature
    buy 1.4 deg.C (What a dumb thing to say to a government looking for
    viable options.. imho)
    Now wouldn't it be scary if someone thought "Oh ok lets do it. As the side
    benefits are we'll lower the global temperature. So everyone will be happy"

    Argh....
     
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    This thread is brilliant. Half of you guys believe so passionately in a topic you know next to nothing about and the other half don't believe what you are saying but are saying it for the sake of argument.
     
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    I'm not surprised you're giving us as evidence something coming from a Disney channel
     
  9. alma

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    Dude you're forcing me to put a pemanent footer:

    Irony in progress
     
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    That was too funny. Its funny that they talk about peace when the first thing they do is start wars. Lets see, 300o-400o versus 600,000, tell me who the real terrorist are?

    The abc link shows the level of stupidity. The goal was to slow down the emissions to allow the damage to reverse itself. Of course typical attempt was to misquote and make up quotes.

    Here is a funny thing, they talk about how its all political and media hype, but if its an argument with hype in their direction, they praise an rally like minions.

    lol, the fear of guns really does nothing for me. Melee man, melee.
     

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    I'm not the sort to doubt the advice of people who have far more education and experience with the matter at hand.

    Having said that, I see little reason to doubt scientists in this matter. Saying that global warming isn't effecting me right now so it doesn't exist is a poor argument and quite short-sighted.

    This is all I have to contribute. I will not pretend to know more than I do, but I will allow my own judgment to see past the typical "left-wing consiracy theorist nutcase" and "right-wing corporate pig-dog" back and forth politicking. Arguing in this fashion is not unlike that of schoolchildren, where nothing is accomplished except giving the other side a headache all while ignoring the actual issue.
     
  12. JACK4HIRE

    JACK4HIRE Ancient Guru

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    I started reading 4 pages ago and expected De Javu however people in this thread seem to be playing quite a bit nicer then last time.

    The problem with education in general is that teachers all too often interject their personal ideology into their instruction as facts. I saw this happen repeatedly in high school and later in college. Most of the students didn't have the sand to stand up to the teacher and call them on their malarkey for fear of receiving a failing grade. I for one have never been afraid to challenge someone’s position and I had many heated debates with my professors about this and other issues. Some used real science to support their positions and I respected them for that. The vast majority just blathered on about the pending dooms day while providing no substance to their arguments. They all knew beyond a shadow of a doubt though that if they borked me for a simple disagreement of opinion I would respond in-kind. I only had to snatch a teacher up one time in my first year of college and word got around fast not to fail me for BS. :)

    Life has taught me that most people are very weak minded and can't truly think for themselves. I call them 'sheeple'. 95% of my classmates were just there to be told what to think by someone else not learn how to think for themselves.

    I like Snatch am aggressive as hell when I believe I'm right. My wife calls it my super ego. I am just ultra confident in my abilities and ideas. I am however open to someone’s counter point as long as they don't come at me like a rabid animal. There have even been times where someone showed me I was wrong and I am quick to admit it. On this issue though no one has yet shown me anything but weak science, pure speculation and conjecture.

    The science behind man made climate change is not gravity or thermal dynamics as much as its pundits claim. It is at best an idea.
     
  13. alma

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    Talking about knowledge, super ego has nothing to do with self confidence according to Sigmund Freud:

    Super-ego
    Freud's theory states that the super-ego is a symbolic internalization of the father figure and cultural regulations. The super-ego tends to stand in opposition to the desires of the id because of their conflicting objectives, and is aggressive towards the ego. The super-ego acts as the conscience, maintaining our sense of morality and the prohibition of taboos. Its formation takes place during the dissolution of the Oedipus complex and is formed by an identification with and internalization of the father figure after the little boy cannot successfully hold the mother as a love-object out of fear of castration. "The super-ego retains the character of the father, while the more powerful the Oedipus complex was and the more rapidly it succumbed to repression (under the influence of authority, religious teaching, schooling and reading), the stricter will be the domination of the super-ego over the ego later on — in the form of conscience or perhaps of an unconscious sense of guilt" (The Ego and the Id, 1923). In Sigmund Freud's work Civilization and Its Discontents (1930) he also discusses the concept of a "cultural super-ego". The concept of super-ego and the Oedipus complex is subject to criticism for its sexism. Women, who are considered to be already castrated, do not identify with the father, and therefore form a weak super-ego, apparently leaving them susceptible to immorality and sexual identity complications.


    So you (or your wife) are using words without knowledge.

    Secondly, the scientific support is important for sure, but if you have a horrible stomach ache because of a cancer, you don't have the cancer only when a doctor finds it...so it's mandatory making scientific searches but the problem probably exists quite before the results of such researches because the way and the speed things change (just like a stomach ache) could be the evidence of something strange.

    Governments have underestimated (or more probably cheated) an enormous number of problems, I simply don't trust them longer...
     
  14. JxL

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    yeah, because you cant fight terrorism and global warming at the same time!

    :camo:

    :)
     
  15. alma

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    You should specify that this is ironic, else your statement will be taken for serious
     

  16. JxL

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    hehe :) i was hoping the camo face would give it away! :D yes, it was ironic :eek:ver: :)
     
  17. JACK4HIRE

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    A lack of knowledge on my part? I don't think so. A lack of understanding of the English language on your part? My money is there. My wife is a nurse who holds 2 degrees 1 of which is in psychology smart guy.

    I was using 'ego' as a generic term and I thought that I had made that apparent from the context in which I used it. "Ego" can also mean thoughts about self, or self-esteem. It can also be used to describe someone who is conceited. "Super" was used as in 'super-size' or very large.

    I actually know quite a bit about the Freud, the ego, super ego and the id as I studied psychology in high school and college. I also counseled men and families for 3 years. Since we are on this now I also think Freud was an f***ing idiot and there are plenty of other psychologist and psychiatrists who agree.

    That is what someone who is arguing from a position of weakness does; they immediately insult their opponent’s intelligence and understanding.
     
  18. Palerider

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    Three questions fellas:
    1-Why do you bring up weapons of mass destruction ( obviously referencing Iraq) in a global warming thread?
    2-Why does an ideological disagreement warrant personal insults on Satch, Gun, or anybody conservative?
    3-Suppose for argument's sake you are right, we are wrong, it does exist. Now what? How do you suggest we fix it? What will The USA , George Bush,and people you seem to loathe so much have to give your country to fix it?
     
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    All these indians eatin currys and fartin is the biggest contributor to global warming hahaha
     
  20. JACK4HIRE

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    In psychology it is called 'tactics to avoid change' and 'thinking errors'. Look it up, read their posts and you will see that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    Guys like maniacone will debate an issue and use scientific information to support his position. I don't agree with him but I respect him.

    Others here will go nuts posting what they found with Google and espousing political ideology and hatred towards the US but there is no substance to what they are saying. It's all noise and rhetoric without and real understanding.

    What happens then is one of the more socialist minded here will insult or say something underhanded to me, you, Snatch etc. and the fight is on. It's chicken sh*t and everyone knows it but that's what they do so none of their little buddies call them on it.

    I would love nothing more then to get a few of the smart mouths here in front of me and see if they still have the balls to say what they say on this forum. I have been dealing with their kind my whole life and I have yet to find one who does. I'm sure you, Snatch and others here feel the same way.
     
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