Global Warming

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  1. Steven Hone

    Steven Hone Paolo the Gun

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    Ok this is an issue which im sure you are sick of. However, here in ireland we are experiencing some of the warmest weather in recorded history for this time of year and very little snow in winter.

    Is it related?

    Just thought id post a related article here also

     
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  2. JohnMaclane

    JohnMaclane Ancient Guru

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    its super serial
     
  3. blue5

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    It has been 33-35 degrees where I'm from for the last 2 months. Its insane. I definitely think there is a problem with global warming and humanity's input into the crisis.

    Talking about global warming... Although I hope for pleasant conversation on this, I know a flame war will erupt eventually in the thread.
     
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    "President Bush has a plan. He says that if we need to, we can lower the temperature dramatically just by switching from Fahrenheit to Celsius" --Jimmy Kimmel, on fighting global warming
     

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  6. Steven Hone

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    A proper discussion would be preferred really.
     
  7. Joey

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    hmmmm. Here in England it's been pretty normal. But then again I'm only 24 and the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
    In the 70's everyone was scared of Global Cooling... in the 80's it was the ozone layer (which is clearly up nicely - if there was even a problem with it in the first place, they really have no idea) and everyone getting skin cancer and now it's CO2 and global warming.
    So YES!..... I'm getting sick of it.
    Don't waste money on fuels and electricity... advocate the free energy sources like solar and wind and so on.... then just forget about all this crap. By saving your money you are effectively doing all you can. Wasting resources is just a practical matter. We aren't going to all drown in a deluge here. the Earth's heating up.... it'll take while.. it has little to do with us.... and it's inevitable.
     
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    Im not sure what to make of global warming...the earth was a much hotter and unstable place millions of years ago when the dinosaurs ruled. So why cant this just be another evolution of our planet?
     
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    Here we go again. I agree with you. Any global warming is most likely just part of a natural warming and cooling cycle. In fact, the effects of sunspots are far more likely to have an impact on any variations in global temperatures than a minuscule rise in CO2 concentrations. To think that just a mere 150 years after the Industrial Revolution that we are having such a drastic impact on temps is flat-out ludicrous, regardless of what that idiot Al Gore and his clueless minions think.

    [FONT=Verdana, Times]So what, then, is one to make of this alleged debate? I would suggest at least three points.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Times]
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    [FONT=Verdana, Times]First, nonscientists generally do not want to bother with understanding the science. Claims of consensus relieve policy types, environmental advocates and politicians of any need to do so. Such claims also serve to intimidate the public and even scientists--especially those outside the area of climate dynamics. Secondly, given that the question of human attribution largely cannot be resolved, its use in promoting visions of disaster constitutes nothing so much as a bait-and-switch scam. That is an inauspicious beginning to what Mr. Gore claims is not a political issue but a "moral" crusade.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Verdana, Times]Lastly, there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition. An earlier attempt at this was accompanied by tragedy. Perhaps Marx was right. This time around we may have farce--if we're lucky.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana, Times]Mr. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT. [/FONT]

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597

    Dr Gareth Jones, a climate researcher at the Met Office, said that Dr Solanki's findings were inconclusive because the study had not incorporated other potential climate change factors.
    "The Sun's radiance may well have an impact on climate change but it needs to be looked at in conjunction with other factors such as greenhouse gases, sulphate aerosols and volcano activity," he said. The research adds weight to the views of David Bellamy, the conservationist. "Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth," he said. "I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.
    "Instead, they have an unshakeable faith in what has, unfortunately, become one of the central credos of the environmental movement: humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to heat up. They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml

    The fact is, global warming alarmists are not scientists, they are propagandists. Instead of trying to incorporate solar-magnetic effects into their models, the alarmists regard the solar-magnetic theory of warming as a competitor to their preferred greenhouse gas theory. As evidence for the impact of cosmic radiation on clouds continues to roll in, the alarmists are still concocting excuses to ignore this mechanism that undercuts their preferred conclusions.
    NASA climatologist Gavin Schmidt recently justified leaving cosmic radiation out of NASA models on the grounds that the effect is not needed. “[T]here is no obvious need for ‘new’ or unknown physics to explain what [is] going on,” he explains to science fiction writer Jerry Pournelle (at Pournelle’s website). Earth to NASA: it isn’t enough to tweak your model to fit the historical temperature record. You have to fit ALL the data, including the evidence that cosmic radiation produces cloud cover. If you leave out a real effect, your model is WRONG. Warming that ought to be attributed to solar activity gets misattributed to greenhouse gases, and whatever predictions you make on the basis of those exaggerated warming effects are lies.
    These lies are intentional. The goal is to have a grounds for demanding the curtailment of human activity. That is the founding stone of environmental religion. Environmentalists see man as displacing nature, and in this contest, they side with nature. As the self-appointed representatives of a natural world that cannot speak for itself, they see all human impacts as by definition bad, and the interdiction of human impacts as necessarily good, regardless of whether the pretext for curtailing human activity is honest or dishonest.

    http://www.rawls.org/Global_warming_omitted_var.htm
     
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  10. alma

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    300 million people (guess from where), which is the 5% of the world population consume 25% of the world oil production. I'll do my best in saving money and energy but these numbers are not encouraging, without considering China and India which are growing sooo fast.
    Peace.
     

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    And Santa Claus do exist!
     
  12. Classic Satch

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    Al Gore probably thinks so! :)
     
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    It's often forgotten that there were periods in worlds history where it was a lot warmer on the whole globe than it is now (and even when the temperature rises by about 3° Celsius). Guess what, the planet is still here! As far as I know we are currently in a "cold" phase with an incoming ice age around the corner (in some hundred thousand or million years).

    Also, our western civilisation won't stop global warming, or the part that is man made, when China, India etc. keep growing at their current speed. Their main goal is to maintain economy growth, and not environmentalism. You sure can stop driving your car, but that will be not the big deal when China builts another coal power plant. This whole discussion is totaly hyped by the media and the politics and out of control imo.
     
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    You hit the nail on the head.
     
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    I don't think the sun spot theory is scientifically supported and worldwide considered as the co2 emission one...please don't put this topic in a political point of view, it's a global problem and I don't think Al Gore has any influence on it.
     

  16. Steven Hone

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    2012 - Our sun is in line with the centre of the galaxy for the first time in 26,000 years.

    The Myans predict bad things for that year (Though their records do not end on this year the certainly indicate a catastrophoe)
     
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    whether global warming is or isnt our fault ,at the end of the day we as humans waste so much resource wise that this is a good thing that people are finally recycling and thinking more about the planet we live in.
    because thats what its about at the end of the day, oil and other materials arent going to last forever so we need to not waste it now and to think more about are actions and what they generally do to the planet.

    im also sick of people who are clearly clueless on this issue effectively saying that we dont need to do anything.
    Its people like this that would happily sit back and watch as water levels rise, oil materials decline, rainfall increases at the wrong times in the year, and ecology systems get destroyed and then when its all finshed and the world is screwed will come out and say 'oh maybe we could of done something'

    at the end of the day its not about weather you agree or disagree with scientists and media hype , its your duty as part of the world to help keep it reasonably together and at the end of the day for not to waste liberally. ie its really not that hard to recycle! and it does alot to help the environment.
     
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    Yep its started.

    Al gore's commentary on the situation showed what was known for quite a while. People deny it simply because it would mean that their convenience is costing something. Its pretty easy to think a problem developing somewhere is not someone's fault or concern because they are not living there. Every country has to take responsibility.

    Every scientist worth their salt will tell you that its accelerated considerably over the last century. All the fuel burning and pollution thats occurs would not be having an effect? Thats just wishful thinking. Of course once the damage is done, " "sorry" can't buy curry", as the saying goes in my country.
     
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    I wasn't approaching it from a political angle, Al Gore is. Anyway, I was just having some fun in regards to that lying blowhard. Please read the provided links, they refute the hogwash coming from the sky-is-falling nutcases.
     
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    Sheesh, does anyone even bother to read the links I provided? :rolleyes: There is no, zip, zero, nada evidence that conclusively links human activity to a recent rise in global temperatures. Facts blue5, facts are the key, not buying into the ridiculous hysteria propagated by the media and the eco-nuts.
     
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