Gigabyte WILL release Custom Radeon RX Vega 64 Cards

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Yesterday news broke the web coming from Tom's Hardware that gigabyte would not be releasing custom RX Vega cards. That information contradicts with what we have been hearing from Gigabyte, in fact t...

    Gigabyte WILL release Custom Radeon RX Vega 64 Cards
     
  2. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    But...I don't want Vega 64....I want Vega 56...

    Truth be told I hardly overclock my video card anyways, but I would like to see a cooler running video card...

    Now if there was a DOOM edition Vega card out there just because of being named Vega...I would pick it up in a heartbeat lmao.
     
  3. Turanis

    Turanis Ancient Guru

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    "Yesterday news broke the web coming from Tom's Hardware",they are lapdogs of intel/nvidia and spread the rumors.
    Why?They wanna some click-bait revenues.

    If the Hbm2 and Gpu chips are enough,then AIBs will launch a Vega card.If not,then only Sapphire will do it.
     
  4. Agent-A01

    Agent-A01 Ancient Guru

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    I don't know if you've noticed but pretty much every review website is guilty of clickbait articles.
     

  5. leszy

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    I wonder why so much disinformation is being made around the Vega? Practically every few days a new shitstorm is created on the web.
     
  6. Agonist

    Agonist Ancient Guru

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    I'm waiting for Sapphire Nitro Vega 56.
     
  7. audiophizile

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    Seems like nobody knows when these are coming out. As far as I can see a few people have guessed October and some November but really no word since September. I'm completely unbiased and use a GTX 1080 for myself currently and glad I am as the wait for Vega would not have been at all worth it for me.

    However, I'm building my step dad a mid-highend rig for casual gaming and working from home. As he doesn't play MP shooters I was going to grab him a 32" 2560x1440 75hz freesync monitor, 7700k (really cheap through MC), 1tb SSD, 16GB 3000mhz and an aib Vega 56 or 1070/1070ti. Solid build for under $1500 but where the heck are custom cooled Vega cards???
     
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  8. audiophizile

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    Is that sarcastic or would they actually respond? If they would respond there is no way the answer is not already known by someone and posted on the internet. It would be bigger news then this article
     
  9. JonasBeckman

    JonasBeckman Ancient Guru

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    Nothing is known far as I know, only some rumors and guesses on that they're ensuring they have enough chips in stock and such.
    Not really sure what third-party can even do for Verga, stock PBC is pretty high quality from my understanding and doesn't hold back the chip at all, air cooler isn't bad either for a blower design but it does throttle if you don't push the fan speed up and the 56 has more aggressive settings in bios for allowed voltage and such though it can be flashed to lift some of these.

    Water cooler is probably not going to be beaten by any of the third party models unless they can do a water cooled version too, bios is probably mainly up to AMD and the chip has it's limitations and issues but we'll see I suppose, I could be wrong though if AMD is planning a Vega refresh next year then those might be what these third party manufacturers are waiting on before seriously starting on different models for the GPU though the current chips would need to be sold of course and I don't really know how well that process is going for AMD but hopefully the early issues with variances in chip depending on where it was manufactured has been worked out by now.

    And I guess Fury faced much the same though AMD limited third-party designs to the regular Fury and the FuryX retained stock model with water cooling only whereas for the Polaris 400 and 500 series there was more headroom available to improve on the GPU.

    Not too sure if stock Vega is just very over-engineered or if the GPU chip itself is what is limiting things to where it requires too much voltage and generates too much heat if pushed much further plus it's already overclocked a bit for both GPU and HBM from my understanding of things.


    EDIT: The rumors on the software/driver side of things also isn't giving much info as to the future of primitive shader support globally rather than per-profile and HBCC and those other functions that weren't entirely enabled for consumer Vega GPU's at launch and from some info posted gains might not be all that great either but nothing has been confirmed though it's been months and AMD hasn't really done too much for enabling these at least in the current drivers.

    But the December driver tends to be what AMD really focuses on though 4 - 5 months just to get the GPU up to spec after launch isn't really looking good and that's if these features provide any meaningful gains or can even be enabled on a global config for everything instead of a per-game basis.


    But I haven't looked into it too much lately myself, price fluctuation and limited availability for the existing reference models is still a concern and if AMD wants to do a refresh of Vega and Ryzen next year that might be worth waiting for and seeing what will be improved on with that until Navi is ready whenever they're ready to start talking about that GPU but that's for later.
    (Consumer Volta also seems to be a bit of a unknown for Nvidia from what I heard but again that's just rumors and nothing official so hard to confirm.)
     
  10. audiophizile

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    In the US it looks like prices have leveled out. $399 in stock at microcenter and $419 on Nwegg in stock. The temps and noise are why I am most interested in 3rd party cards. Usually even some of the cheapest 3rd party solutions offer lower temps AND lower noise levels then reference blowers.
     

  11. JonasBeckman

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    Hah yeah the air is vented out nicely and all but the noise of the blower fans is pretty loud, had one for a early 290X GPU and it's 95c target temperature default and that got really loud in games after a pretty short amount of time.

    Here the pricing is still all over, I can find Vega 56 GPU's for around 6000 SEK (~710 USD or so.) but a few have come down in price to near 5400 SEK (~640 USD.) though they're all very limited in availability and rarely in stock for long.
    Almost came down to under 5000 SEK for a brief period of time a few week ago and some stores had listings of 100+ in-stock, that disappeared really really fast though. Guess it looks good for AMD that the GPU's are selling out but if they can't get new stock in fast enough to replace it that doesn't help at all. 580 GPU's are also slowly making a comeback and are priced pretty well too but they also tend to sell out very quickly still.

    I also wonder how Asus got their Vega custom GPU out so quickly, and then what happened to it aside from a few reviewers and some hassle around a bios update that never actually surfaced. Far as I know no stores ever had those available so yeah it just disappeared and that's the only custom Vega card so far that's been actually seen and tested.


    EDIT: It's actually a bit of a mess when all that differs is the manufacturers decal and packaging.
    https://www.komplett.se/category/10...re_A03616 ┬žAMD&sort=ProductNumber:DESCENDING

    Some of the early Vega listings are no longer up but there's still a 5999 SEK Vega 56 there and then a 5400 SEK and 5200 SEK. Same GPU and should be the same MSRP but yeah pricing is all over for some of these but it's coming down little by little, availability is also improving but also at a not very fast pace. :)
     
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  12. audiophizile

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    Those are not nice prices. How much are 1080 and 1070s?
     
  13. Fender178

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    Not sure where you are located but here in the U.S the 1070 are between $400 and $450. The 1070 Tis are around $500 bucks and the 1080s are around $550.
     
  14. JonasBeckman

    JonasBeckman Ancient Guru

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    The new 1070Ti ranges between 5200 SEK to 5700 SEK it seems.
    https://www.komplett.se/category/10412/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/grafikkort?cnet=Grafikprocessortillverkare_A03616 ┬žNVIDIA&sort=ProductNumber:DESCENDING

    Around 620 to 670 USD.
    (EDIT: Ah but that store only has two custom EVGA models in so they would be higher priced.)

    A 1080 Ti sits at between 8000 to 9000 SEK, 9K versions tend to be water cooled but not all are.

    That's around 950 USD to 1000 USD.

    1080 models seems to be around 6000 to 7000 SEK so 710 to 830 USD from a quick comparison aided by Google again there's a lot of custom models and the prices can vary a bit as a result.

    1070 seems to be around the 5000 SEK mark so around 600 USD then.


    In comparison to the other countries in Europe Sweden tends to range on the more expensive side (Finland seem to be having it worse though.) and compared to the US well the entire Europe is probably more expensive than the US MSRP prices for hardware.

    The Vega 64 and 56 initial launch was something special though, stores setting whatever prices they could get away with almost. Sold out too so there were a couple of stores having prices up to nearly 10.000 SEK because of limited stock and the GPU's being very highly sought after which well yeah higher than average prices isn't anything new, that sort of pricing though is not something I have seen before however.

    For a quick Vega 56 comparison using the Sapphire model the Pricerunner and PrisJakt websites can give a little overview of how it varies at the moment.
    https://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=4456607

    So from 4750 SEK which going by price conversion comes out at 565 USD (US MSRP for these being some 400$ I think it was.) and then up to 5950 SEK or just above 700 USD.

    For the 64 (air) model from Sapphire.
    https://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=4422253

    There's one store selling for 5700 SEK and then most others range around 6000 to 6200 SEK with one store going for a full 7000 SEK.

    So that's 680 USD to 740 USD and for that last one 830 USD.


    EDIT: And for that last product you can see a out of store pricing right at the bottom for 9500 SEK.
     
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    I'm looking forward to seeing how a nice AIB cooler does on Vega 64, and especially on Vega 56.
     

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