Gen 4 SSDs - What's coming? What to save for?

Discussion in 'SSD and HDD storage' started by Only Intruder, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. Only Intruder

    Only Intruder Maha Guru

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    So, X570 platform, and of course, other platforms that take up pcie gen4+ - what SSDs are out and what's coming out?

    I'm planning on getting a couple of SSDs, one for OS (512GB) and one for games (1TB) (or maybe 2x1TB if they are affordable enough in the future) (I know the 2nd m.2 slot runs through the chipset so it wont be as fast as the main one but it's still operating on gen4 pcie so will still be plenty fast if nothing else is saturating the chipset) or should I just get one fat drive alone and perhaps partition it (for ease of management)?

    Main aspect of the thread though, what's going to be coming out? What should we anticipate? Will Samsung bring out a leading class SSD again? Current gen4 SSDs while having amazing sequential read and write speeds (at high capacity volumes), their randoms are still comparable to already existing drives - but I guess that's limitations of current technology and not the transport medium.

    And when do you reckon we'll see newer drives? Are we still waiting for Intel to have a mainstream pcie4 platform to drive manufacturers to adopt pcie4?
     
  2. Astyanax

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    the x570 m2 and cpu m2 operate at the same rates.
     
  3. Only Intruder

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    While I didn't state it, I was alluding to the chipset having an x4 link to the CPU and all devices using chipset provided lanes can be potentially bottlenecked should they need CPU time (whereby I said about the chipset being saturated) - I know it's unlikely to happen and would require certain workloads etc and realistically rather trivial to consider but the main point I made, or rather the main question in what you quoted is, what would your opinion be on how to arrange m.2 devices. Would 2x1TB be better, one on the CPU provided slot and one the chipset or a single 2TB (partitioned) m.2 on the CPU alone or is it an unnecessary consideration?

    Edit: Main thing though, I want this thread to focus on what SSDs are coming out and speak about which would be the best value price/performance etc.
     
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    the m2 lane from the x570 is also dedicated to the nvme, any additional nvme's on top of that will begin to affect lane distribution to addin boards though.
     

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    I have a 1TB Sabrent Rocket 4.0 NVMe and an 1TB Inland NVMe on my x570 Asus TUF.

    You can't tell a difference between the two right now. We just don't know how industry may use all this bandwidth, if ever in the next several years.
     
  6. Tiny_Clanger

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    Comparing gen 3 and 4 speeds is like comparing 2 models of the same car, 1 does 150, the other 170, they are so bloody fast you wouldnt really notice that extra 20 anyway. That said i always get the fastest ram speed any given cpu will run so if your board is gen 4 get a gen 4 drive. If you need a drive NOW because of a part failure get the best you can afford.
     
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    That's a great point, I fully support.
     
  8. pegasus1

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    And if the price difference is negligible or within margins then buy Gen 4 for that very reason. It also helps future proof, if in a few years 200 is the norm, you will be glad you bought the one that does 170.
    My Gen 4 Corsair MP600 is significantly faster than my Gen 3 970 Evo Plus, both are NVMe M2.
     
  9. HeavyHemi

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    Having just taken several hours to clone a 4TB drive yes, you do notice.
     
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    I recently cloned my Saamsung 970 pro 1tb to my Corsair MP600 2tb on my new Asus Prime x570pro/Ryzen7 3800x and it did it at 45mbs, currently using 1.1tb of my mp600 and im getting 4167mb/s read and 3887mb/s write from as ssd benchmark, and on my 970pro i get 3071/2431with over 700gb`s of games on it but its still more than what i got on my previous z270a/i7 7700k, i have my Mp600 in the top slot., as far as i know the top slot uses the cpu pci-e lanes but both slots are supposed to be pci-e 4 x4
     

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    We are waiting for the "new pci-e gen 4" version of Adata sx8200pro with 75+MB/s 4k random read @ QD=1. There is no pci-e 4.0 nvme ssd's close to sx8200pro yet. Maybe we have to wait to fall?
     
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    Faster in what? Only sequential write and read? Sequential speeds is nice for moving big files from one fast ssd to another. It doesn't necessary mean that it's faster in most real world workloads :)

    Today, it looks like 2x Adata sx8200pro 1TB in raid-0 is the best choice. 2x sx8200pro 1TB has almost the same prize as one 1TB Corsair MP600 :) Atleast here in Norway. Faster in any load than Corsair MP600 1TB :p

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    Double your chance of data loss but yeah, if that floats your boat. Il stick with NVMe for OS and Progs, another for STEAM and a third for my other games.
     
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    You know that a ssd is a raidarray of many "nand chips" ;)

    Now you know :D

    Have fun with you're ssd raidarray's :p

    Double chance?
    Percentage calculations can't be you're strong side....
     
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    Grow up and stop being a troll.
     

  16. Only Intruder

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    Same can be said with many hard drives too, multiple platters and read/write heads.....

    Same principle, read/write media in parallel

    The importance here is the bus, what the data is being pushed through and the evolution of the how that data is accessed within the said array.
     
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    So writing fact is being a troll?
    Guru3d forums members 2020.... XD

    Jesus saves, God takes backup ;)
     
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  18. HeavyHemi

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    Your opinions are not fact. The truth shall set you free...God helps those who help themselves...except the mental who do not know better and depend upon others to tell them. You're being told. :rolleyes:
     
  19. nizzen

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    It was not an opinion...
    Learn to read ;)
     
  20. HeavyHemi

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    "Double chance?
    Percentage calculations can't be you're strong side...."

    1TB in raid-0 = no redundancy

    Explain how your opinion is a fact. You should practice more.
    I'm not knocking what you're doing. Merely pointing out the risk of data loss....
     
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