Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Nov 10, 2022.
Waiting for real benchmarks by Hilbert, as always. Not much more to say tbh.
From a different perspective I understand 4090 buyers.
They have a budget for it and want the best, fair enough, it's an exotic option so it costs some money.
Thing is, it also delivers serious improvement over last series.
But this 4080? for just $400 less than 4090? makes no sense.
In Europe, if you can shove 1700-1800 I'm sure you can go up to 2200 and buy the real beast.
That leaves the other "4080", as in the rebranded 4070ti.
Who the feck will pay 1300e for it when it performs at 6900xt level which sells for 750.
No one was really complaining about the 4090, it wasn't much more than the 3090 when it came out, or comparatively the titans in the past vs the 80 series. But the 3080 was 40% of the price of the 3090 and now the 4080 is 70% of the price of the 4090. That's what people don't like.
People could generate income on the 3080s as well, that's not the whole story.
At this price it does not make sense , as the price range is the USA goes fron $1,200 - $1,589 depending on the bling bling and OC versions. Might as well go the full 4090 for $1,600 in my opinion.
25% slower and 25% cheaper. Contrary to what some would suggest, this does not add up. Bigger dies are disproportionately more expensive because you're basically paying for scarcity and less yield per wafer (regardless of whether all usable dies are in perfect condition). If the 4080 were 25% smaller, that would suggest the price is too high, but it's actually more than 25% smaller. Add to the fact it's not the flagship, and it really gets you to wonder why it's priced the way it is.
So, I think it's pretty definitive that this GPU is priced wrong.
100% agree, prices have sky rocketed, quality of the products has been so so, especially from certain brands, scalpers everywhere... I remember when the 7970 came out... I could just buy it, crazy right! back then a top of the line card AIO cost me £500, I do miss you my xfx double fan 7970 you did me well for a long time.
I have nothing else to say...
Price per transistor scales down less and less with each shrink. If you want increased performance, this is the reality we're living in. Nvidia has tried to hang back on older nodes to help keep prices down, but it could only realistically do that for so long with AMD finally starting to catch up on perf/watt.
I just believe people will have no choice than getting used to everything costing more and more, or companies will have to lower expectations.
Ressource scarcity and increasing energy prices are just at their beginning.
Natural Oil is running dry, forcing us to transition to insanely harder and more expensive to extract tight oil, copper mining is running dry.. all ressource are running dry.
Pretty sure we'll have some global collapse before 2040.
What card are you using now?
I already picked up a 3090ti a few months ago. I'm good til the 50 series.. But, they need to get their crap together and stop this graphic card BS! They need to put more cards out for people like they used to. Overwhelm the scalpers so they can't scalp!
Scales down is one thing and plummeting off a cliff over a single generation is another. A typical 10-15% price increase turned to 70%. That is pure greed plain and simple.
They effectively jumped 2.5 nodes. Add inflation into the mix and this is where we are.
Too expensive for what it offers, people are better shelling out the price difference and getting a 4090.
This card should be price between 600 and 800€.
The good news is that the next year, this card is going to the be the "new" 5070 and cost half of what they are asking now.
* in 2 years
3090 to 4090 the price increase is 6,6%
3080 to 4080 the price increase is 70%
Cumulative inflation over the past 2 years is 15%. Far far cry from justifying such a price hike.
I wish there was custom MSI/ASUS PCB with 2x8PIN.
And btw... these are cherry picked tests. 4090 is literally a 50% faster chip.
I'd love to see a "benchmarks show the next gen graphics card is actually affordable!"
Then there will be a lot of RMAs, and probably a class-action...