GeForce RTX 2070 Super discontinued, GeForce Ampere RTX 300 Series Launch details

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  1. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    Nvidia doesn't care about YOUR money, the consumer graphics card market is just pocket change compared to the enterprise business they actually make most of their earnings from.


    This is the inverse of AMD where rejecting their consumer product is damaging to their earnings and quite readily tells them their product is not up to the task.

    both bulldozer and the dark period for RTG where they weren't getting appropriate RND funding because "our fans will buy anyway" was negative reinforcement, giving them the misconception that things were adequate.


    Nvidia doesn't care about beating AMD or Intel, they compete only with themselves so they only have the problem of needing their next enterprise product utterly dominating the last one.
     
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    And I suppose you think they release a comparatively cheap 2080Ti out of the kindness of their hearts? If it generated so little revenue, why bother making anything below enthusiast-grade?
    You're not understanding the situation:
    Ryzen would not have existed if it weren't for people who pitched in earlier. AMD was steadily getting deeper in debt. They were in that debt because people were telling them the product wasn't worth buying, including from most of their fans. So, if none of their products were being sold, they'd have gone bankrupt. Where exactly do you think they'd have the money to do better? One of the core reasons Bulldozer failed is because of insufficient funding to make it better.
    You claim to know why companies are driven to evolve their products, yet you somehow think evolution happens when a company only has themselves to compare to.
    AMD (and soon, Intel) takes away sales from Nvidia. How do you prevent this from happening? By making a more competitive product. It's naive if you think Nvidia would continue the rate of their evolution if AMD didn't exist. Ever noticed how Nvidia almost always has a GPU ready to go within weeks (sometime days) of AMD releasing a product? Do you seriously think Nvidia didn't already have the capability of releasing that better model earlier?
    Everything they do is for competition, and I say that as a good thing. Even exclusive technologies like G-Sync are meant to entice customers to come to them. Speaking of which - why would they bother spending so much time and money researching and producing a niche product like G-Sync, which has no financial benefit to their server market? Sure seems like a hefty investment for pocket change...
     
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    If the 3080 is September i'm gonna start saving now and keep this 1030.
    Was gonna get something more beefier next week to tide me by till 3070 but it would just be a waste /hassle.
    I feel like a fool spending £700+ on a gpu but whatever ..( CP2077 better be good is all i'm sayin) :cool::D
     
  4. Astyanax

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    Considering nvidia only sells chips to card manufacturers and the profit for founders barely covers the cost of paying the contracted manufacturer (foxconn i think?)

    Yeah.

    On the contrary, Ryzen would have existed SOONER after AMD would have had to liquidate the assets unnecessary to designing and manufacturing a new cpu architecture. (GloFo for example).

    AMD was not too big to fall, but it was necessary to retain a secondary chip and gpu vendor for the PC market, bankruptcy would have been a kick in the teeth to the idiots on top that lead them into obscurity and given them a clean slate and restructuring to boot.

    Would have been the perfect opportunity to cut away dead weight and seperate AMD from RTG.
     
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    Right... they sell the chips to card manufacturers and Nvidia gets most of the profits. Even though they could do it themselves, they can maximize their profits if they don't. Therefore, they're taking this specific path for the money.
    Nvidia (as well as AMD and Intel for that matter) make their own server-grade stuff because the price tags are so much higher, and, because the products are [ideally] in a controlled environment. They can cheap out on things like cooling solutions that would not work in a consumer-grade PC.
    How? With what money could they do that? Do you think AMD wanted to keep their failed project going to 5 years? They did it because there was nothing left to develop something better. So if their measly income wasn't enough to produce Ryzen, how was a complete lack of income supposed to accomplish anything? They were running out of things to liquidate that actually had any significant value with a long-term benefit.
    When Lisa Su became CEO, she deliberately put the company deeper into debt, because it was a last-ditch effort. Ryzen needed to succeed or else the company was done for. They could not develop Ryzen sooner, probably because they were in too much debt at the time. Besides, Ryzen wasn't a ground-up redesign. It was just an overhaul of their previous architecture.
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    AMD had years of poor sales. Their fans were not covering R&D costs. So, I don't understand how you think they were told "mediocrity is ok" when they were very obviously failing as a company because of a product, and you're naive if you think they weren't aware that their products weren't as good as their marketing claimed.
    Exactly the point - AMD wasn't too big. They were too small. Who do you think was going to bail them out and keep them going?
    That would have been a stupid idea because at the time, RTG had the better product. Only until recently has AMD been able to pay off debts and start putting some real investment into GPUs.
     
  6. :) Someone reads :cool:

    EDIT: Well or erm knows their AMD history!
     
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  7. Astyanax

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    of course, I'm only on an intel now because AMD took too long and my systems do what i need them to so not in a rush to go ryzen, but zen 3 is looking like amd has let the architecture bake enough now.....
     
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    Yes, well we have seen how well AMD is doing now that they have been able to get rid of that dead weight called Global Foundries.
     
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  9. I think they might still do work with GlobalFoundries, to what extent I am not certain & I'd imagine they are more restrained on the terms.
     
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    I read the headline that the 2070 is super discounted. An incredible discount price.

    ...sigh
     
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    I remember reading that glofo wasn't offering any nodes that were of relevance to amd's zen product plans.
     
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