Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Aug 5, 2020.
I'll need to start thinking about 3080 if those are out months before my first choice the 3070
Dude. Chill. We haven't seen the official prices at all. You can still be surprised.
LMAO new much?
No he's right. And I assure you, we won't be surprised, 100%. I also left PC hardware due to Nvidia.
Good on you mate. They haven't gotten a penny from me in years and won;t again.
Where is the RTX 3090 release date?
I saw another news story earlier on this week - the one that listed a TITAN model - that rumoured that there would NOT be an RTX 3080 Ti but this story says there is. To be honest, I would be extremely surprised if there wasn't a 3080 Ti as it would the only viable upgrade path for people with 2080 Tis since the other 3000 models had 10 GB of VRAM or less. I expect the 3080 Ti to have 12 GB at least, possibly more but it may be a weird odd number (13 or 15 GB).
The problem for me though is how much this will cost. I do not want to buy a 2080 Ti, in fact, I held off buying one for two reasons: (1) it was simply too expensive at £1,100 to justify upgrading from my GTX 1080 Ti for the ray-tracing features, which even now are used in very few games; and (2) the actual rasterisation performance increase over the GTX 1080 Ti is disappointing given the £400+ price increase.
The Ampere cards are rumoured to be 50% faster than the Turing equivalents which would equate to even more vs. my GTX 1080 Ti making the purchase of the card better value even if it costs £1,000+. I should be able to get £200 for my 1080 Ti which would offset the cost a bit.
Thing is though I need to build a new PC which is going to be pricey but I am waiting for the new AMD Ryzen 4000 CPUs (I think I will be ditching Intel for next build as they have become too expensive, what with requiring new motherboards for every processor series they release etc).
I know if I got a 3080 Ti that it would offer faster performance than my 1080 Ti even on this 2013 i7-4770K and 1,600 MHz RAM build because I play at 1440p and not 4K but I will be missing out on the super fast SSDs and PCI-e 4.0 which is usually the reason I upgrade. When I built my Haswell PC in 2013 it was to have PCI-e 3.0 and SATA3 not because I just wanted a faster CPU.
I guess I could buy the card this year and build a new PC next when Ryzen 4000 is out.
I remember the days when I used to get excited about new nvidia releases. I can't make myself care about $1200+ cards. Honestly though, they could charge $2000 for the 3080Ti and people would still be buying them in pairs like crazy.
You do realize that it's usually the other way around, right? The higher the resolution the more it's GPU-Bound. The lower the resolution the more it's CPU-Bound.
But no doubt to properly run a 3080ti etc. one needs a very fast cpu
Well at 4K, not really. In most games my 3600 is dumping out 120fps+, some exceptions of course like most Ubisoft games but at 4K I still think these new GPUs will be the limiting factor, not my CPU.
Should have jumped on GOG sale!! $80 got you CP2077 and everything they've ever made from them.
I didn't get it as I've got everything already from them except CP2077
would rather have it free
What an utterly ridiculous thing to say. First of all, that's a double-edged sword. Paying Nvidia for these stupidly high prices validates to them that the price tag is worth it. It's rather sobering that you can build a whole 1080p gaming PC with very good performance for the price of a 2080Ti by itself, which can't even play all games maxed out at 4K@60FPS.
But putting all that aside, what you said only happens when you pre-order a product, or, if a product that is overall inferior is selling better than it should.
AMD is selling competitive products, just not at the high-end. The reason Nvidia is so expensive is because of the lack of high-end competition. Their prices will likely drop should "Big Navi" be a threat.
Anyway, competition can't happen if all of the money is going toward the winner. This isn't rocket science.
I couldn't agree more.., the Diamond Pro monitor was a beast in its day... ridiculously heavy, made my computer desk bow under its weight and helped make my little flat nice and toasty warm..
I still remember the day I first played GLQuake on it with a 12MB Voodoo2 (I needed to upgrade from the 8MB version to take full advantage, the extra cost for 4MB make nvidia's current prices seem quite fair in comparison)
Agreed; as far as that "prosumer" upgrade path is concerned the requirements for VRAM only increase every few generations
Yes but less so during global pandemic, global recession, global unemployment & it's an election year in the US. People may be focused elsewhere than NVIDIA gaming video cards. I know I am (reg. buying them)
If you had any idea how companies are encouraged to evolve their products you'd know that you just spouted a bunch of bs.
Throwing "less" money at the underdog company that produces less capable parts both in hardware and drivers is the same thing as encouraging stagnation of product evolution (aka, what AMD did with their CPU's that allowed Intel to stay on the same architecture for 10 years)
AMD's market decline was because people did buy the chips as die hard fantards instead of giving amd the finger and saying "these aren't good enough"
Isn’t there a massive amount of more to it than that though? If not that at all? Like poor contractual decisions surrounding the Bulldozer architecture between AMD & GlobalFoundries that gimped on for years effectively cutting the company’s legs out from under them? I can find the news sources if you two want, this is fan boys aside. Poor management. Or just unfortunate at the very least.
EDIT: Home again for the night, will look for those news articles...
Ok I found some of the news articles and yes I believe that what you are saying was a component of it.
Some really good reading if anyone’s interested
“The Rise Fall & Revival of AMD” https://www.techspot.com/article/2043-amd-rise-fall-revival-history/
“A Critical Analysis of AMD’s Multi-Year Amendment to The Wafer Supply Agreement 2016” https://wccftech.com/analysis-amd-multi-year-amendment-2016-wafer-supply-agreement/
That is giving it away. In my country people are still expecting at least €500-600 EURO for a 1080Ti which is about £540. I think they are being ridiculously greedy myself. But hopefully those prices will drop when 30x0 comes out.
If you had any idea how major corporations work you'd realize that was just a bunch of spouted bs. Their #1 priority is your money, and you appear to be justifying an artificially inflated price.
How could you possibly be that short-sighted? When AMD went stagnant, so did Intel. Intel's net revenue was substantially greater than all of AMD's total assets. They were raking in more money than they knew what to do with, and guess what: that money wasn't used to improve anything.
Showing support with your wallet only works when there's competition. That's why Nvidia's mid-range GPUs are reasonably priced, yet still profitable.
Riiiight... because money grows on trees and all those crappy bulldozer CPUs are totally free to R&D and manufacture. Surely, AMD wouldn't have neared bankruptcy if they made no sales at all! Kinda gets you to wonder - why don't they just simply give away their products? That way, everyone can spend their money on Intel and everyone wins!