It’s funny you post that. It seems the ad that appears above your post serves my point. What brand card is that in the advert? Please we have no room in this tread for a shill like you. And we all know your modus operandi. really wish you would just switch to console since you couldn't even afford a 1060 or 570 before the prices went nuts. YOU ARE NOT GETTING 1080ti PERFORMANCE FOR $100 ANYTIME SOON!!!!
If this turns out to be true then I don't have a problem with this sentiment. Realistically though almost nobody would boycott that needs a GPU as you would have to buy an inferior product unless you are buying mid to low end. Once AMD gets on the new 7nm process or Navi lands then you should have viable options. Honestly I hope Intel gets into the GPU market for real this time around. Having a viable third GPU maker would stop a lot of this type monopolistic stuff, as one maker like Nvidia wouldn't have 70+% of the market.
7nm should be interesting, I just hope AMD doesn't pull another Polaris and skimp on the high-end. In the end though, it might not make much of a difference. AMD has had GPUs in the past that outperformed Nvidia (R9 290 vs GTX 780) but most people still bought the latter. If it was based entirely on merit then AMD would be in a much stronger position today, but gamers seem to have come to the conclusion that Nvidia is superior. The only thing that would change gamers' minds is if Navi was vastly superior, but that doesn't seem likely with AMD's tiny R&D (compared to Nvidia).
Biggest thing that hurt Hawaii sales was heat. The reference cards were too hot and reviewers made sure people knew that. AMD didn't let AIB's make custom cooled cards until almost 6 months after launch. Contrast that with almost immediate custom 780's being available. Kepler was not as good as GCN.
Dude, just give up already. Trolling is prohibited here. Besides, when you apply critical thinking any advertising from MSI is about the business of MSI. MSI is a business entity of it's own which I know you understand. You failed at making an sensible rebuttal to your nonsense and dribble.
Yes, I know the issue with heat and noise for the 290 (I've been critical of the reference cooler before). The thing is, I didn't even consider it when I got my GTX 780, which I immediately water-cooled. Thinking back, I might have been wiser to get the 290 instead (assuming a block was available), especially since the 780 is basically useless now - a 290 can at least be useful for mining.
I hate to be spamming the thread and all but do we really know what is going on ? it just that NVidia has to be progressive in every aspect,did you see there stock? so they have to do what they always do "hey look what we got". Showing all this crap for pro users, gaming, cars ,a unicorns head in a box and stuff. they have growth and profit down to a science this is just 1 of those cog's in the wheel. they want to promote there brands with a advertisement push.what you guys want nvidia to show a box like the 2 msi cards? I don't think so at most the company don't get free advertising then big deal. good god remember if they get hmb2 the aibs will need the help to get cards out not like the other brand did. all it sucks for a gamer/pc user is that its more in your face "look what we" got at most. the company don't get free advertising then big deal good god i don't know but who gives about pc gaming with card prices they way they are. all those nv gaming directives/goodies you get if you follow suit wont mean a hole lot if a 1050 costs 350 like it is now. this arguing about" bad for pc gaming" is like wondering if you fed your gold fish while your house burns down
This will all be straighten out by having Nivida release the exact contractual details given to gpp partnership agreement. I'm talking about what they actually sign! Including any "details NOT to be disclosed under penalty"clauses. Then this whole drama would disappear...or get worst I would imagine. LOL
dude the public rarely ever sees contracts and the drama should have never happened. I think the guy had his time of month or talked to someone who did.......lets see who would be sooooooooo worried about this? it cost nothing???? you get free advertising and maybe hookers hmmm??? thinking who would care so much?????? maybe a poor aib that cant do it or make make only ref cards?? bigger fish will take your share might be better that's the only people hmmmm??? lets see all the biggest players on the ball??? who would care??? damn I am so tupid sometimes I will figure it at one day.
The point is made then. Critical thinking tells us there is more to these GPP agreements then what's publicized. Now with that bit of information it's easy to believe and give credit/credence to [H]'s article
but what if these same agreements said hp could not market the 1030 as the ultimate gaming rig? he has an opinion from other opinions I love the guy but not this time.
Hell, and i was gonna boycott NV for there $1500 high end GPU prices. Stupid me!! I think I can forgive NV, if they in turn will give us all free high end GPU'S to make this mess go away? Anyone with me?
That's some wonky critical thinking you got going on there. I didn't realize every contract I can't see must automatically have something nefarious going on behind it... especially when the "i can't see" it part is based on a guru3d member as a source. But then on the flipside you totally give credence to what [H] writes, despite that fact that he didn't quote or source any agreement either. _ Imposed requirements is a common thing and perfectly legal. If Nvidia wants MSI to sign a contract that requires them to advertise Nvidia's product a specific way they 100% can do that, as long as it doesn't affect competitor sales. That's why I originally said if Nvidia is asking ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte to create a separate gaming brand for Nvidia - I think that's fine. If they are asking ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte to remove anything that can be construed as a "gaming" brand from AMD, that's not fine. [H]'s example in his article says the latter but he doesn't source anything other then "what he's read" which he doesn't quote the specific wording of. He interprets those contracts and says the following: In this sentence lies the issue, specifically "It's partners must have "ITS" gaming brand". Implying a companies sole gaming brand must be devoted to Nvidia cards only. To which he gives the example of ASUS ROG being Nvidia products only. I find it really hard to believe that Nvidia would be requesting this. If they are then by all means I think they should be penalized - but I think more likely the sentence should read "its partners must have a "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce." - which is different and I don't have an issue with.
The thing is, why would Nvidia care that a particular gaming brand be associated exclusively with GeForce? Seems that this kind of decision should be something that should lie exclusively with the OEMs, who can make as many gaming brands as they like. Seems like an odd requirement, to say the least.
Kyle is saying Asus and MSI have just signed the GPP agreements. Would be funny if the claimed 'anti-competitive' parts of the agreements were true initially, but Nvidia then waters them down simply to diminish Kyles argument. For gamers/consumers sake, I hope nothing in these agreements is as bad as K makes them out to be, but if they are, NV stands to lose much respect.
If they did in fact sign it then there is no way it keeps them from selling AMD GPU's. Looks like someone is going to detention.
I wanted to quote this conversation we are having to hightlight an obvious point. You defeated your own argument through the bold portion of your response. Any reasonable, sensible person knows that there are terms/conditions that is not shared to the public. Since you've deemed them nefarious, not my word but yours, it's obvious that the information presented to you about GPP does have a nefarious flair in your own opinions about it. Be it that you express them here or not. Therefore, the point stand on merit. Unless you are able to provide some wonky reasoning why you don't think it's nefarious. -- But now that you've brought that to "light" This does sound a bit hostile. It also sounds an awful lot like what Intel did back in the Netburst days when competing against AMD. And we know they are no stranger to shortlisting AIB's either https://mygaming.co.za/news/hardware/55151-club3d-ditches-nvidia-due-to-restrictions.html So it's more then just a threat to AIBs IMO. --- And to further add: https://wccftech.com/nvidias-geforce-partner-program-allegedly-engages-in-anti-consumer-practices/ Pieces look, to me, to be falling into place. Although this is not the "numerous sources" we were looking for it adds up when different journalists get at least one source. It adds up after a while. It always adds up.
I almost want to think AMD foresaw this whole mining craze and designed the splendid mining card Vega just to make some money for the R&D of their next architecture, not really minding if Vega can compete in gaming or not.
I don't know I think a mole from one of the big 3 told amd about the new cards. you guys know that big money is going down right now on chip/card orders. so this ggp thing for what the 10x0 cards? I think not. its new contract time new cards the more you buy the better it is. you know evga and now asus and msi will get them first right now. there is more to read if you could see the whole picture you think these company want to fight over the 50 cards amd makes? or stay in the good standing with the company that can hobble up the fabs at will with gaming cards? its gunna be a big launch and they have the bases being covered. maybe its best they make anyone selling the cards have it written on the box "the number one gaming cards in the world GeForce" then amd can put up or shut up