I never said they shouldn't be compared, i think they should. What i was pointing out was in September last year, most 5870 owners were claiming a benchmark had a bias towards Nvidia if they tested the 5870 against a GTX295, but now its a fail for Nvidia that it only beat the 5970 in a few tests. I would laugh about it, if it wasn't so pathetic. waway625, how was Charlie right, it idles at 45c not 70c, and its not 600mhz, and only 5% if you hand pick games. He claimed so much stuff some of it had to be right, but the majority of it was nonsense, only an idiot or a blind fanboy would side with him.