GeForce 442.19 Game Ready Driver Download & Discussion

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  1. Yxskaft

    Yxskaft Maha Guru

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    Being at the bottom of the list means nothing when the performance is still acceptable.

    And actually yes, GPU drivers is the one area where we see even old hardware "learn new tricks". The API updates so far have gotten support for back to desktop Kepler and all GCN products.

    Face it buddy, the 780 Ti you're speaking down of provides better performance in modern games than the PS4 and that's true no matter what this or that forum user is imagining. Just grow up and move on.
     
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  2. looniam

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    being at the bottom of the list means everything when the performance is not acceptable, what? you like 30fps? lmao. you may want to set the bar low to give validity to your immature complaint but its not going to work here. and btw, who the hell cares about consoles? want console performance? then buy a console.

    and given you started this complaint over a low end fermi part, congratulations on moving the goal posts, again. old parts won't learn new tricks. take a look at DX12 w/ kepler, maxwell and pascal; it *still* regresses in performance in the latter two arches. turing is the first arch w/complete dx12 support in the hardware. (yes a-sync, i am looking at you)

    GCN arch hasn't changed nearly as much over the years; that is a difference and proves the point. though it does open; how many 7990s/7950s you still see gaming?

    one third of one percent.

    yep totally worth driver support that that huge of a segment :rolleyes:

    come out of fantasy land, hardware goes obsolete.
     
  3. Yxskaft

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    30 FPS is generally accepted as the minimum performance target, and what the combined 80+ million userbase of the PS4/Xbox platforms are playing at, so just give up already.
    You can come with your crap about your own standards of what is considered playable and acceptable, but when the console is a generally accepted point of reference, don't expect your own made up standards to be taken seriously.

    And again, you were the one who started about it being Fermi (which actually do support DX12 and OpenGL 4.6, both making huge difference for emulation). I pointed out that 600, 700 and 800 mobile series cover both Fermi and Kepler, and Kepler is still capable out outperforming the PS4 versions. Move down a tier and they're still better than the Xbox One versions.
    Accept your own mistakes instead of putting words in people's mouths.

    Optimizations for HD 7950 encompass the whole 7000 series as well, and the GCN 1 architecture was rebranded alot of times even until the 300 series. And guess what? Even the mobile GCN is still indeed supported.

    Again, old parts do learn new tricks. Vulkan 1.1 was released barely a month ago and is supported on Kepler and all GCN models. New DX12 shader models and the latest WDDM models are supported on desktop Kepler and all GCN models.
    Driver regressions for old games do happen for all architectures and are called out for it, new games might use specific Vulkan/DX12 features that the latter architectures excel at compared to the old cards.
    Ultimately, your claim about old architectures being unable to improve is factually wrong.

    And as I said in my first post in this thread, why should anyone outside of Nvidia defend lacking support or dropped support? A consumer should never swallow arguments from freaking businesses.

    Everyone is free to argue for their side but at least stop with the pure bullshit arguments.
     
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    No it isn't.
     

  5. Yxskaft

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    You can say that you'd never want to play at that and that's why you have a 980 Ti, but doing as the other guy and say that it's not capable of playing new games, when it's superior to what 80+ million console users play at, it's a bad argument
     
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    No one here even understands your argument. No one in this thread gives a crap about consoles or 30 fps except for you.. It's a driver thread and the end of life for some old products is nigh or long past, bruh.

    Are you still writing to Nintendo Power magazine and bitching about the support for the NES?
     
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  7. Yxskaft

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    Or the ones in favor of my argument are just silently agreeing whereas you whiners feel a need to get defensive when someone is saying your arguments are bullshit.

    It's a driver thread yes, and someone is disappointed his mobile GPU isn't supported anymore, then comes a few morons with their "it's old and uncapable" bullshit and then all hell breaks loose when I tell them they're wrong and gives the reasons. So ye, tell me who gives a crap or not.

    If you aren't prepared to talk of everything related to drivers, go ahead and make a "Praise Nvidia driver" thread instead and keep your blessings there.

    It's kinda telling that you feel the need to refer to a 30 year old console to make what you feel is a point.
    But no, I don't expect Nintendo to support their 30 year old console, their main interest being a console manufacturer is also getting people to their new console.
    I do however expect a GPU to have mainline support for as long as it's still capable of playing modern games.

    You could perhaps argue for a better Legacy support model instead of the normal support model, but stop with this bullshit about a GPU being old and uncapable when it's not. That crap is a toxic to the PC community.
     
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    This must be a confusing way to go through life..."everyone is probably agreeing with me, but they are just too shy to say so."
     
  9. Yxskaft

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    You could say the same about your way of thinking. "Everyone else is quiet so they're probably disagreeing with me". See, it works both ways.

    You may have your own preferences, but I'd also say you guys' bullying attitudes as soon as someone's thoughts differ from you isn't exactly welcome.
     
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    No one was bullying anybody, Captain Virtue Signaller.
     

  11. Yxskaft

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    You can call it what you want kiddo. Just stop with the bullshit from now on when making an argument.
     
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    I'm in favor of device support in general to help prevent e-waste, it's a real issue. Replacing hardware that still fits your needs because of drivers is a damn shame.
    That being said, i feel the driver support is good enough for the devices in question here, they support windows 10 fine, and they have game optimization for the older/esport games you're likely to play on those older devices.
    So i agree with Yxskaft in principal, but i don't think it applies to this specific scenario.
     
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    what a load of crap.

    you want to use a 30fps "console standard" for a performance comparison to desktop parts. well, i'd wager the majority would be believe that to be just pure bullshit.

    you seem so obsessed w/consoles.

    again you got your kickers in a bunch when someone called an old fermi part . old.

    so you think kepler being in the same series will rescue you but then that line leads you to using high end desktop parts? from low end mobile support?

    lol, no. but still ok. i have a gtx570 and 780ti sitting in boxes.
    why in boxes?
    because they blow chunks when trying to play modern games. PERIOD. so yes i knew fermi got DX12 support, remember that bench i posted in my first replay?

    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/2014144

    support ≠ performance. give it a rest. it wasn't support but those <1.5GB ram buffers killed those off long ago. nv fulfilling its promise to dring dx12 to fermi, is why support lasted so long. parroting a press release about an updated API version isn't going to tell you that. btw, vulkan 1.1. was released two years ago . .

    i'll just keep repeating, hardware gets old, it won't learn new tricks; see how well RTX works on pascal?

    oh i guess nv should support that too? i mean it should give a nice 20fps slide show right? :rolleyes:
     
  14. Yxskaft

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    You really should learn when you'd do best to keep quiet. Yet you're still here desperately trying to somehow make yourself have a good argument.
    You're the one who made the pointless claim about all those cards being Fermi, and proven wrong . And then you wanted to make a point about even the GTX 780 Ti being unable to play modern games and once again proven wrong. Stop putting words in people's mouths and accept your own mistakes for just once.

    What you believe is quite meaningless in this case. 30 FPS target on consoles is the industry standard, 80+ million console userbase is playing at that. So once again, you can argue that you yourself would never play at that, but stop with the bullshit about old GPUs being uncapable when they're superior to what 80+ million console gamers are playing at.
    It's like a billionare saying all that don't have 100 million are poor. Acceptable in his financial club, but utterly stupid in the public's point of view.


    And ye you're right, Vulkan 1.1 was released two years ago. I was actually thinking of Vulkan 1.2, and guess what? That's supported all the way to desktop Kepler and all GCN parts. And both Kepler and GCN are from 2012, so that's an even greater example of old architectures learning new tricks. So thanks for reminding me.

    Nvidia made RTX on the RTX cards accelerated by dedicated hardware, Pascal is running it on the shader cores. So you need to differ between actual hardware feature and what's possible to do via software. Driver improvements for games are almost always due to improving the software, a few cases adding hardware support for new DX or Vulkan features in games.
    On that side I'm curious, do you actually complain that Nvidia did decide to support RTX on the high end Pascal parts?
     
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    i am not putting any words in your mouth that 800M is a fermi part as i pointed out before. the keplar parts are 810M or 820M not 800M.

    and now you're telling me i am wrong about the parts i have and had been gaming on for years and have provided at least ONE point of reference when your rebuttal is more console gibberish.

    there is no point in this discussion you've proven anything.
     
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  16. Yxskaft

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    Read the whole thread and you'll realize he meant 800M series. Cyberdyne is one user who realized that.

    You can continue thinking the console references are gibberish but then you should always remember that your words about that might be taken as gibberish
     
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    yes, however that is the 800 series. the 800M is a fermi part. and still using high end desktop parts to validate your argument of low end mobile . . parts that I OWN.

    and i am very confidential that most all people won't think it's gibberish me calling your console gibberish, gibberish.
     
  18. Yxskaft

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    "800 series" would be for desktop and there never was one, Nvidia jumped directly from 700 to 800 on desktop. 800M and 800M series both exist however, and there's at least one more in this thread who realized that he talked of his 800M series card not being supported.

    It's great that you believe in yourself, but remember why people might sneer at that argument.
     
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    its cute you keep avoiding admitting its a fermi part with info i already knew and posted about.

    i really don't care what people think of the truth.
     
  20. Cyberdyne

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    We don't know what card he had specifically. Unlikely to be an 800m in a 2000 dollar laptop from back then, but who knows, could be. Also, don't really care that much.
     

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