GeForce 4/FX -> Quadro 4/FX : The complete how-to

Discussion in 'RivaTuner Advanced Discussion forum' started by clokkevi, Jul 3, 2004.

  1. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    GeForce GTX 680
    Yes. Yes. Yes.
    Just use the exact same instructions as for a standard 5200.
  2. OCZSpeedJunky

    OCZSpeedJunky Master Guru

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    2 x MSI GTX465 SLI'd
    Other options

    Ok, questions for the hardocer guru's here. Other than overclocking with RT, and doing a voltage mod, what else can I really do to my card?? It's Leadtek 6600GT TDH Extreme with the Samsung 1.2ns IC's rated @ 1250mhz stock. And for the voltage mod, can I safely just take a 10k ohm resistor off an old card I got here to solder onto it, ro do I need to go buy a different one?? I know I can also do a pencil mod for it if I don't wanna solder it. And where at the moment would I find my cards voltage?? Only by using a voltometer?? I am switching it out for a 7600 or 7900, so I wanna mod it some to see what I can get it to do. Thanks in advance.
  3. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    GeForce GTX 680
    Based on your other posts etc, you seem like more of a gamer than a CAD/DCC user.
    Therefore, even if your 6600 GT should be a NV43 revision A2, meaning you could modify it to a Quadro FX 540,
    I would not expect that this would be of any interest for you
    - since it would give you a few FPS lower performance in your OpenGL games.

    Please, create your own thread and paste your post into it, since this thread is only about
    using RivaTuner with NVstrap for modifying a GeForce 4 or a GeForce FX 5xxx to their respective Quadro siblings.
  4. okmijun

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    MSI 7900GTO
    5900>FX3000 any chance for newer drivers?

    Any chance for newer drivers? 43.28 are to old?
    or even 7/8x.xx?
    Did somebody try?

  5. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    GeForce GTX 680
    You mean 45.28, not 43.28, of course..?
    Many have tried, so I have not bothered.
    When I had my GeForce FX 5900 modded to Quadro 3000 FX,
    the 45.28 drivers worked as they should in the programs I tested it with;
    3ds max, Combustion, Maya, AutoStudio, XSI, After Effect, Xfrog.
    Is there any problems with it, that you know are fixed in later versions?
    Or is is just a kind of "bad feeling" when using an "old" driver.. ;)

    If you want to try out newer versions, I suggest trying the "Quadro certified" versions first:
  6. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    GeForce GTX 680
    I compiled this list from the release notes that are available on the NVIDIA ftp.
    These are only the Quadro issues with professional apps, all issues with games,
    and all GeForce, Nview, Media Center etc issues is removed.

    I have however attached the full list, with all issues included..!

    Issues Resolved in Version 45.23

    • The display exhibits corruption in the Unigraphics in drafting
    • Continued model rotation results in increased memory usage in Unigraphics
    18.05.2 and NX 1.02.3.
    • I-deas 10 crashes in the process nbb.exe after a large virtual memory
    • Think3 requests Control Panel enables “use block transfer” option for
    OpenGL buffer flipping mode.
    • CATIA certification issue: Problem with display list compilation causes
    incomplete visualization.
    • The “Add OpenGL” tab shows a “Stereo DIN pin” option that is not
    • Switching output devices on a desktop that has been rotated resets the
    resolution to 640x480 from 1024x768.
    • Playback of AVI in full-screen mode tears on a T221 monitor.
    • Digital flat panels go out of sync or blank when the Screen Adjustment
    scaling is changed.
    • A Quadro4 980 XGL system hangs or stops when running a PTC Pro/
    ENGINEER Wildfire script.
    • On a Quadro NVS 400 running Windows NT® 4.0, all monitors go black for
    1-2 seconds during logon.
    • On a Quadro NVS 400 running Windows NT 4.0, the monitor ordering has
    changed from 1234 to 1324.
    • The nView™ Menu Options choice is not available from the title bar with
    Exceed 7.1 or 8.0.
    • EDS I-deas Master Series 7 does not start on a Quadro4 980XGL because of
    an application error.

    Issues Resolved in Version 52.16

    • Selecting application mode from the control panel gives you applicationcontrolled
    anisotropic filtering.
    By design, no other filtering is enabled by this selection.
    • Quadro2 EX, Windows 2000 and Windows XP: Only VGA after “Large
    Model CAD” or “I-deas Masters Series” selected.
    • Shaded detail drawing views rendered in wrong color.
    • Continued model rotation results in increased memory usage in Unigraphics
    18.05.2 and NX 1.02.3.
    • Quadro FX 3000, Window 2000: I-deas 9 hangs at start-up.
    • Quadro4 980 XGL: The display exhibits corruption in the Unigraphics in drafting application.

    Issues Resolved in Version 53.03

    • Adobe After Effects crashes with 52.16.
    • Overlap/Edgeblend: Changing values for luma does not make Apply button
    • Individual application setting to launch application on different desktop does
    not work when invoked by hot key.
    • Quadro FX Go700, Windows XP: Studio Tools overlay tool is truncated.
    • Quadro 4 780/980 XGL, Unigraphics Iman Portal UI/LSE ( Menus
    and pop-ups are blank, and overall graphics performance is poor.
    • Maya 5.0: HWR created shadows are drawn as squares instead of circles.

    Issues Resolved in Version 56.64

    • Image Sharpening is being applied by default, causing text to appear
    thinner on some CRTs.
    • Quadro NVS, Windows XP: After turning off Span-over-Span, the
    display properties panel stops responding when selecting the Quadro
    NVS page.
    • Quadro NVS 280 AGP + Quadro NVS 280 PCI, Windows 2000: Driver
    does not install with SETUP.EXE.
    • Quadro NVS, Windows XP: Driver causes blue-screen crash.
    • Quadro NVS, Windows NT 4.0: NV settings on taskbar should not
    include nView Display Mode > Single/Clone/Span if in Multiview.
    • Windows XP: Performance and Quality page does not update

    Issues Resolved in Version 56.72

    • Windows XP: Presentation Director eight-bit test screen is not
    displayed correctly.
    • Windows XP: OpenGL viewperf crashes or is extremely slow if the
    Physical Address Extension boot option is enabled.

    Issues Resolved in Version 61.77

    • Added support for Microsoft DirectX 9.0c
    • Windows XP: nView Desktop Manager causes Response Time Logger
    to use 98% of CPU resources.
    • Windows XP: DualView Performance mode doesnʹt work
    • Quadro FX 1100, Windows XP: Mouse pointer is blurry when moved
    to the right side of the LCD
    • Windows XP, Quadro FX 3000, T221 Display: Windows MediaPlayer
    becomes pink/green with two T221 monitors rotated.
    • Windows XP: Double-clicked Outlook messages sometimes end up
    underneath other windows.
    • Quadro4 980XGL/Quadro FX1000, Windows 2000: Altair Engineering
    HyperMesh6.0 has problems with model contour color and rubber
    band operation.

    Issues Resolved in Version 66.93

    • Windows XP, Quadro FX 3400: CATIA - Extra lines displayed on
    Structural Anlaysis.
    • Windows XP, Quadro FX 3000, IBM T221 panel, DG5: Desktop
    appears elongated when HRSD is selected.
    • Windows XP, Quadro FX 4000: Main grid is corrupted when starting
    Lightwave 8.0/7.5.
    • Quadro FX 4000, Windows XP, Lightwave 8.0/7.5: Main grid is
    corrupted on startup.
    • Quadro FX 1100, Windows XP, Autodesk Inventor 8: Mipmapping is
    • Windows XP, Quadro 400 NVS: Non-admin accounts can enable
    multiview, but an error message appears after rebooting the system.
    • Modo application crashes with GeForce Products.
    • Windows XP, Quadro NVS 200/280: Roaming profiles cannot be read
    or written.
    • Wndows XP: Manual downclocking does not work but locks to the
    • This driver now supports PCI Express under the Windows NT 4.0
    operating system.

    Issues Resolved in Version 77.56, from version 77.18

    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500, Workstation SLI: The system hangs when
    selecting the SLI page from the control panel on cards with VBIOS
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 3450: 1600x1200 resoluton cannot be displayed
    on Fujitsu DVI display.
    • All GPUs: Fixed a memory allocation issue that caused general
    instability in a variety of games.
    • OpenGL Adobe After Effects 6.5.1 crashes on exit.

    Issues Resolved in Version 81.67

    .....Single GPU Issues.....
    • All GPUs: Updated the OpenGL application profile for Unigraphics
    Teamcenter Engineering to accommodate block-transfer bufferflipping
    • Quadro G-Sync: The status indicators in the FrameSync control panel
    dos not report the frame lock status properly.
    • Quadro FX 4000: SolidEdge model disappears when using an image
    • Quadro FX 3400/4400, Quadro NVS 280: OpenGL pixel transfer API
    call does not work.
    • Quadro FX 3400/4400, Quadro2 Pro: Large cube maps (1024x1024) fail
    to display in Autodesk Inventor.
    • Quadro FX 3400/4400: Shadows are not rendered correctly in ICEM
    • Quadro FX 3400/4400: Spotlights and ambient occlusion do not work
    correctly in StudioTools 13.
    • Quadro FX 3400/4400: When Edge Blending is enabled in the control
    panel under Dual View, the luma masks appear only on the primary
    • Quadro FX 1400/3400/4400: Performance drop occurs in ICEM Surf.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 1400, NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400, NVIDIA Quadro
    NVS 280: There is no display when entering hibernate mode.
    .....SLI Related Issues.....
    • Quadro FX 3400/4400, SLI : With SLI enabled, a black screen results
    when toggling to full-screen DOS.

    Issues Resolved in Version 84.26

    • All GPUs, Windows XP Professional x64: Catia hangs when opening
    a large file.
    • All GPUs: The system freezes when using the full 4GB address space
    with OpenGL applications.
    • All GPUs: 100% CPU use occurs when running Houdini 8.0.410.
    • All GPUs: I-DEAS and SpaceVision wireframe performance is poor
    due to excessive memory consumption.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX4500: Avena PDMS - Overlay plane fails to
    function correctly on the right hand monitor.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500: Wrong colors and grey stripes appear
    when running hardware accelerated HDV playback and preview.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400/4400: When using display lists, there is a
    performance drop with SolidEdge 17.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 3450/4400, Windows XP Professional x64: Bluescreen
    crash occurs when running After Effects 7 (x224).
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 4000: SolidWorks sketch preview shows entities
    from the previous sketch.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 4000, Windows Professional x64 Edition: Edge
    Blending is not available.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 3450, Windows XP Professional x64: 64-bit
    Viewperf 8.1 performance decreases with DualView enabled.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400: Lines disappear when the mouse cursor
    moves over them in Solid Edge V17UP07.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400 : DirectDraw overlays do not work with
    Avid MediaComposer or XPressPro.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400: CATIA experiences performance
    degradation with Release 80 drivers.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 1400/3450/4400: Memory leak occurs when
    running Symphony Nitris.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 1400: 3D applications run slower when
    Dualview mode is enabled.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 1400: Parity errors occur with memory-intensive
    operations such as rendering, cloth simulation, etc.
    • NVIDIA Quadro FX 1300, Windows XP Professional x64: The system
    hangs intermittently when running 64-bit Viewperf 8.1 On Pro/E
    • NVIDIA Quadro NVS 440: Maya 6.5 crashes after starting up.
    • NVIDIA Quadro NVS 280: When running Inventor11 and slicing a
    part in Direct3D mode, blue corruption appears.
    • NVIDIA Quadro4 380/550 XGL: Rendering anomaly occurs with
    Inventor when slicing an assembly in OpenGL mode.
    • NVIDIA Quadro4 980 XGL: StudioTools crashes when launching
    more than one session.
  7. okmijun

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    So, for myself only THIS could be reason for updateing to newer driver, I' ve been playing all the night with drivers, and for now, NO WAY ti use some above 45.28 for 5900>FX300 (yu can get something SIMILAR to Quadro, but not REAL quadro)
  8. julguru

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    HexaSli Nvidia Quadro 9000
    Any 1 found a way to mod NV43 (6600GT) rev A4 to Quadro yet???

    hi there,

    Any 1 found a way to mod NV43 (6600GT) rev A4 to Quadro yet???

    thanks a bunch
  9. okmijun

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    MSI 7900GTO
    6600 43 A4.....I'm not 100% shure, but I think no hope

    5900>FX3000, HARDMODE?? (+BIOS flash)

    Before two years it was impossible, but nowadays?
    are things changed or not?
    (I think that there is a way to move resistors, but it still need RT for PCI ID, is there any chance for BIOS flash and have pure FX3000?)
  10. khogao

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    @clokkevi: I've just used the latest Forceware driver , (91.37 or somethings) with the latest Rivatuner in Guru3D and with your How-to, Idid it to my oldie MX400 to Quadro , but the checkmark at the dialog :Use ROM straps for PCI DeviceID programming did not appeared for me to check (I'm sorry for my English but I think you got me, right?
    3dMax work better than before, every things seem better, but is the latest driver not suitable to mod?

    btw, thank you evry much for your help , and if you please, review you How-to with the latest Driver availableon the Internet.

  11. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    5x580 2x590 2x780Ti 1x970
    The ROM straps option is only for NV4X adapters, yours is NV17
  12. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    EDITED 2006-08-08 10:56 GMT : My reply is wrong!
    I thought khogao was talking about a GeForce 4 MX 4xx (which need patched 42.51 drivers)
    He is correct, his GeForce 2 MX 400 is not protected, so the Quadro mod will work with unpatced drivers, any version..! :)
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    @khogao: AlecRyben is correct.

    The ROM straps option, along with the other things I describe in the tutorial at
    is only for GeForce 6800's (and a few 6600's)

    To create a Quadro mod with a GeForce 4 or GeForce FX,
    you must use the tutorial I have posted at
    This is much more work - you must patch drivers etc.
    Also - the ONLY driver you can use (for GeForce 4) - is version 42.51

    If you feel 3ds Max is working faster than before, it is only a placebo effect.
    You *believe* you now have a working Quadro mod, so you *believe* you see speed increase in 3ds Max.
    This is very common, therefore, the only way to be sure if you have a good, working Quadro mod is to do tests with SPECviewperf.

    SPECviewperf is an OpenGL benchmark.
    When your card is in "Quadro-mode", it can use its *hardware* to do many OpenGL functions
    (which will be done in *software* instead when it is in "Geforce-mode")
    So that is the reason why you will see increased performance in SPECviewperf.

    If you look at each of the tests on it's own, and at the detailed results of the Unigraphics (ugs-0*) test:
    "ugs-03" (in SPECviewperf 7.1.1)
    "ugs-04" (in SPECviewperf 8.1)
    - the performance increase should be ca. 700% or so when using the Quadro mod! :)
    E.g. on my PC:

    When running the SPECviewperf 7.1.1 test:
    ugs-03 = 9.302 in GeForce 6800 GT mode
    ugs-03 = 67.45 in Quadro FX 4000 mode

    When running the SPECviewperf 8.1 test:
    ugs-04 = 4.774 in GeForce 6800 GT mode
    ugs-04 = 34.92 in Quadro FX 4000 mode

    (These numbers are mean FPS - frames per second - values)

    (The latest version, SPECviewperf 9.0, has replaced the "ugs" test with 2 other tests, and I have not tried those yet.)

    You should always get tests from the FTP mirrors (much, much faster)
    Download either
    SPECviewperf711_full.exe (291984 KB) or
    SPECViewperf81.exe (424719 KB)
    from either of these sites

    Also, if the SPECviewperf crashes, you know that the driver version is not stable. That is why we know that 42.51 is the latest stable for Quadro mod of GeForce 4 - it is the only version that does *NOT* crash in SPECviewperf.

    Btw, the latest for GeForce FX 5900 is 45.28.
    That is the one I used before getting the GeForce 6800 GT -> Quadro FX 4000 whcih I use now.
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2006
  13. khogao

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    thank you

    I'm greatly appreciate you reply, anyway, my GF2MX400 work perfectly with the latest driver like AlecRyben said. It works farmore better than 45.21 and i'm really happy with it. thank you once again
    p/s : i'm donloading the SPECviewperf version 8.1 and will send you the resuls ASAP.
  14. Unwinder

    Unwinder Moderator Staff Member

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    Small correction: ROM straps are also available on NV3x.
  15. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    Interesting fact. Thanks for the info.

  16. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    EDITED 2006-08-08 11:03 GMT : My reply is wrong!
    Even if I in fact quoted khogao's reply with " GF2MX400", I did not notice this..
    ..I still believed he was talking about a GeForce 4 MX 4xx (which of course DO need patched 42.51 drivers)
    Again, khogao is correct, his GeForce 2 MX 400 is not protected, so the Quadro mod will work with unpatced drivers, any version..! :)
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    " GF2MX400 work perfectly with the latest driver like AlecRyben said."
    Your card will of course still *work* - but you can see for your self when testing with SPECviewperf that you get 0% speed increase when using that ForceWare v91.37 driver.

    You *are* aware that I have written 2 *completely different* how-to's?

    How-to #1:
    Using patched Detonator v45.28 or v42.51 drivers etc. for GeForce 4 and GeForce FX *only*
    Because GeForce 4's are a bit different from Quadro 4's, you must use *patched* drivers.

    How-to #2:
    Using ROM straps etc, for GeForce 6800 and GeForce 6600 *only* -
    Because GeForce 6800 is 100% equal to Quadro FX 4000, this will work with non-patched drivers, you may use any you like.

    To get the 200%-700% increase on your GeForce 4 card you *must* use How-to #1.
    Patch the Detonator v42.51 - this IS the latest version that will patch correctly, and will give you speed increase in Quadro mode on a GeForce 4.

    P.S: The main reason I changed my GeForce FX 5900 into a GeForce 6800 GT,
    was the fact that I can now use un-patched drivers, any version I want, with my GeForce 6800 GT -> Quadro FX 4000 mod.
    On my GeForce FX 5900 -> Quadro FX 3000 mod, I was locked to Detonator v45.28 only.
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2006
  17. khogao

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    OK, Clokkevi, I got what you want to say, but my card is only a oldie GF2 400 MX , please consider that.
  18. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    Ahhh, I see now, you have a GeForce2 MX 400 !!! I'm sorry!!
    When you wrote "MX400" I was thinking "GeForce 4 MX", and so did AlecRyben : "yours is NV17"..
    Also, the fact that this is the thread I started for GeForce 4 / GeForce FX modding...
    ..I didn't even notice that you wrote "GF2MX400" in your last post.. :bonk:

    Hehe.. in that case: :) I had a
    GeForce 2 GTS - NV15.DEV_0150 - and I modded this to a
    Quadro 2 Pro - NV15.DEV_0153 - back in the autumn of 2001.
    This was when I heard of RivaTuner the first time.
    I did not have to patch any drivers, I just used Unwinder's original how-to:
    (at the time I didn't understand why it worked, though..!)

    I do believe your card
    GeForce2 MX 400 - NV11.DEV_0110
    - do *not* have the protection that was implemeted into e.g.
    GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (NV25.DEV_0250) and
    GeForce 4 MX 460 (NV17.DEV_0170)

    So, as you found out, you should use the "GeForce 6800" how-to,
    since both GF 256, GF 2, GF 3, GF FX 5800, GF 6800 (NV40, NV45, NV48, GF 6600 (NV43 rev A2)
    is 100% equal in design as their Quadro siblings, and so no patching of drivers are needed ;
    - and just skip step 10) Check ON "Use ROM straps for PCI programming"

    This will change the ID from
    NVIDIA_NV11.DEV_0110.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400"
    NVIDIA_NV11.DEV_0113.1 = "NVIDIA Quadro2 MXR/EX"

    Btw. with this old card, maybe it is better to use SPECviewperf 6.12,
    since this test was made around the same time as the card.
    That was the test I used when checking my GeForce 2 GTS -> Quadro2 Pro mod speed increase.
    The SPECviewperf 8.1 was made so it was suited to the higher speed cards like Quadro FX 4500 etc..

    Or even better, try out both v6.12 and v8.1, in both GeForce 2 MX mode and Quadro2 MXR mode, and post all 4 results here...! :)
    Good luck!
  19. khogao

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    the last result

    OK, here is the SPECviewperf 6.12 result of my oldie GF2MX400 :

    AWadvs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 33.29

    DRV-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 12.79

    DX-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 23.29

    Light-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 6.872

    MedMCAD-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 15.39

    ProCDRS-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 14.55

    I'm dowloading the 8.1 version, the results will be posted later
    @ Clokkevi: is my results is low comparing to REAL Quadro2 MXR?
  20. clokkevi

    clokkevi Master Guru

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    I have no idea! ;)
    These results is of course also dependant on your CPU speed,
    and you have not told us what your is..
    ..and even if you did, chances are your setup is pretty unique these days,
    so there is no other user you may compare your results with..

    As I wrote in the other thread, you must run the tests in both
    unmodified, GF2MX400 mode
    modified Quadro2 MXR mode

    Then compare your own results for each test.
    It is also interesting to go into the detailed results,
    where you see each "run" and its speed for itself.

    E.g. - this is from SPECviewperf 7.1.1:

    ugs-03 Viewset in GeForce 6800 mode:
    Test Weight Frames
    # Per Sec Sec
    1 16.50 5.41
    2 16.50 5.93
    3 16.50 4.95
    4 16.50 5.42
    5 8.50 65.1
    6 8.50 79.3
    7 8.50 8.12
    8 8.50 11.9
    Geometric Mean = 9.302

    ugs-03 Viewset in Quadro FX4000 mode:
    Test Weight Frames
    # Per Sec Sec
    1 16.50 56.9
    2 16.50 63.9
    3 16.50 50.9
    4 16.50 56.2
    5 8.50 93.3
    6 8.50 114
    7 8.50 82.9
    8 8.50 89.3
    Geometric Mean = 67.45

    This shows that while tests 1,2,3,4,7 increased with ca 1000% speed,
    others - tests 5 and 6 - were only ca 40% faster..

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