FX 8370 upgrade to R5 1600 ?

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by HARDRESET, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. HARDRESET

    HARDRESET Master Guru

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    or should i wait for the 3500x and the B550?
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    Wait till black Friday and see if you can get a better deal on a 1600 or 2600, FYI the 3500X is for China OEM market only, but who knows you maybe able to get a deal on a 3600?
     
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  3. insp1re2600

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    b550 isnt a priority tbh, but why bother with a R5 1600?
     
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    Run a b450 and 2700x and also have a 2600 non x both do extremely well vs a 8370 at 4.5ghz. That’s what I updated from
     
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    Yup ,Microcenter drop the price on the 2700x from 159.00 to 129.00, not even black friday yet, will wait for sure, thanks for the input;)
     
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    Went with 2700x and G.Skill 3600 16GBx2 plus Asus 470 Prime pro ,did update with latest bios and more, side note did have a 3600 on first day, no signal or post, long story short went back to Micro Center ,exchange for 2700x .
    been benching and testing:cool:
    at 1080p , day and night!
    at 1440 depends on settings or game
    at 4K no change, i knew this already going in:D

    old system when new
    8370e at 4500 cost $119.00 plus tax
    MSI MB cost $179.00 plus tax
    EVGA 16GB 2400 cost $90 plus tax

    New system
    2700x $139.99 plus tax
    G.Skill 16GB ram 3600 $72.00 plus tax
    Asus MB 470 Prime pro $89.00 plus tax

    This was purely a luxury upgrade and at my pleasure :D
     
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    A good match for your GPU. :)
     
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    very nice :), enjoying the upgrades?
     
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  13. bobblunderton

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    2700 series of processors is SO much better than the 8xxx series of FX (or any FX) processors that it's just sad.
    So not making the extra jump of 10% or so of performance, seeing on how much you've gained just by getting a 12nm 2xxx chip - isn't a bother at all.
    You can always update your cpu, if you feel the need to do so, later on down the road. Seeing as you've lived with the FX this long until recently (you poor soul), I don't think you'll miss the difference between the 2xxx and 3xxx processor for games. If you DO notice a difference in speed, you're not tasking the GPU enough - just go ahead and crank up those visual details some and the difference goes away for the most part. Only heavily draw-call-limited* scenes will bottleneck that processor sooner than a newer processor.
    Some people want to obsess about the difference of 3700x vs 2700x, I just say 'turn up the details and work the gpu more'. Sure there's still going to be a few FPS difference. However, a few more FPS difference vs spending almost 2x or 3x on the processor isn't such a good deal & If you wanted the world's best FPS on pure gaming you would have a 65536hz monitor, a 2080 Ti, and a 9900k.
    I just like it when the machine works and doesn't let out the magic smoke, so I can do my content creation stuff here and make this 3700x earn it's keep.

    *For every frame rendered in DirectX, you have thousands - sometimes tens of thousands of draw calls. A UV face is a single triangle or quad on a model that has a single or multiple textures on it.
    A single draw call is Mr. CPU telling Mr. GPU to 'Hey, Mr. GPU, can you render all these connected UV faces of concrete on this bridge', then the GPU renders this, and can obviously render 10,000 triangles if it's a half decent few-year-old gpu or better, in the time it takes until the next 'Hey, Mr. GPU, can you render all these connected road textures of a single type on this ground model now?'.
    The more draw calls, the more it can lag. Good modeling and appropriate game design can lessen or entirely mitigate this issue for the end-users. This is however, why in some DX11 titles (single threaded draw calls, DX 12 is multi-threaded draw calls) that the games appear CPU bottlenecked (like Fallout 4!) even when the settings are somewhat turned down. Sure, some companies make really badly optimized games, but thankfully, most are pretty good. Massively open-world non-linear games will tax a processor harder than an on-rails shooter would, just by design, as you can't always predict where the player will be standing and what they see or NEED to see with 100% accuracy in open-world games.
    That being said, again I will mention: If you just turn up the workflow to the GPU by increasing details on the graphics settings to keep the GPU busy in between time it talks to the CPU (provided it doesn't exacerbate the issue too badly, by increasing draw calls further!). This way you're not hard limited by one component vs another, and you're getting the most out of your hardware and the game(s) you're running.
    TL-DR:
    A 10% performance increase for a paying 70~200$ more for an 6 or 8 core 3600/3700x isn't exactly a good return on your investment, money on the difference is better invested in a better GPU.
    In time as software further adapts to many-core-count CPU's being more common, I would expect to be able to harness more capacity out of your 2700x more often than not. So it should be a solid investment for many years to come, and shouldn't have too much issue (if any at all) keeping up with the new yet-unreleased consoles with 8 cores on 7nm.
    ENJOY your processor, it's very capable compared to what you had.
     
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  14. gerardfraser

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    There is a difference in 2xxx to 3xxx but it is not really important.2700X is a good choice and those microcenter prices are insane.

    2600X 4350Mhz 1501/181 Cinbench
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    3600X 4350Mhz 1731/202 Cinbench

    Multi
    1731-1501=230 difference
    230/1501=0.15323117921 x 100 = 15.3% difference

    Single
    202-181=21 difference
    21/181=0.11602209944 x 100= 11.6% difference

    3600X
    [​IMG]3600-X-Cinbench by gerard fraser, on Flickr
    https://i.**********/FKK5tDLx/3600-X-Cinbench.png
    2600X
    [​IMG]2600-X-Cinbench by gerard fraser, on Flickr
     
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    My build continues ,new Tower Thermaltake view 37 /200mm fans and new CPU AIO/Enermax Liqmax lll 360-Triple fan -dual chamber, Micro Center did not carry this AIO, but not bad for $149.99 Micro center and $99.99 Newegg .
     

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    I hope that Liqmax AIO doesn't have problems like the Liqtech AIO's do.....
     
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  17. bobblunderton

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    You would have better performance if you just bought whatever cpu cost would equal 'your current processor + liquid cooler price'.
    So if you spent 150$ on an 8-core 2700x for example, and 150$ on the cooler, you could have gotten a 3700x and lived with the stock cooler (it's really not bad). I mean, it's your pc and money, do as you shall. I just figured I'd mention it.
    Don't need liquid cooling unless you overclock the chip really to it's absolute stability limit beyond 'the curve' of power increase VS stable frequency increase.
    Make sure your parts warranty covers the AIO leaking, for your own sanity sake.
     
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    I'm also an FX user who is finally upgrading after nearly 6 years. Should have my new parts in a day or two. I was also eyeing the 2700x but got the 1600 AF because that value is simply unmatched.
     
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    love shopping at micro center, they didn't carry 1600AF, saved $40 with new MB and RAM, plus new game ,Outer worlds /4 months free microsoft game subscription ,with auto pay ,$20 saved.
    Waiting for AIO:D

     
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