For Intel 10nm will be a less productive node than 14nm and 22nm

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    10 for Intel is like 3 for Valve.
     
  3. DDRSAM

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    Less productive = Higher costs
    It will be interesting to see he retail price when they drop compared to previous gen
    If the performance increase is minimal i can see alot of people skipping this gen
     
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    smaller process + more cores = crappier yields

    Going the chiplet route is how you continue to add cores while shrinking transistors without killing yields.

    I wonder where Intel would be right now if 10nm was planned to be a chiplet design?
     

  5. asturur

    asturur Maha Guru

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    Skipping gen is an argument that does not work anymore imho.
    Since gens are similar ( some years now ), people really update when they are on something old or break the pc.
    In this case they buy on their preferences/requirement with whatever they want to buy. Price is usually the factor.

    Then there are people that manage to sell old component and update every 6 months, but those are so few people that do not make the `a lot` in any case.

    The `intel is still on 14nm` topic is an argument just on those kinds of forums and nowhere else.
    While AMD new cpu for 2020 could be awesome, they could also not be, and in this case we would be left with similar cpus, intel and amd with price differences in different segments, but where marketing and vendors opinion would still move most of the buyers wherever they want to.
     
  6. JamesSneed

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    Less productive really means they will have 7nm ramped up not much after they are finally are able to fix 10nm for desktop and server chips aka 10nm+.

    @asturur AMD's Zen3 chips are going to be awesome :) No fanboy but you don't do a new design on a better 7nm EUV process and not eek out some IPC and frequency gains. Doesn't take much to be better than Intel in every regard this iteration.
     
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    I think in this case "less productive" means they will not produce very much on it. It would seem from other statements that they are going to skip 10nm and move on to 7nm with most chips. Possibly like what AMD is doing : they use 7nm for the processor chips and 10nm for the interface chips in their MCMs.
     
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    Poor thing...

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    intels scrapped plans for high performance 10nm on desktop and are aiming for 7nm+
     

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    10nm+ is what they are currently on. Desktop parts won't come till at least 10nm++ if that. 10nm without the + was the Core i3 8121u.....which nothing to talk about other then how poorly it performed compared to their own 14nm counterparts.
     
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    Or 7nm++++ ;p
     
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    Translated: "Our 10nm yields suck", basically.
     
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    They should take some lessons&yields from TSMC 5-7nm.
     

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