First Alleged Benchmark Results GeForce RTX 3080 Surface

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  1. wavetrex

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    Totally expected.
    There are no miracles in silicon industry, only incremental updates.

    Still a decent upgrade for Pascal owners, proper +50% performance for the same money (and a bit more in 4K), and addition of RT acceleration for new games, but this Ampere lineup is not "magic".

    TBH if money is of concern, I would wait until all reviews for both Ampere and Navi2X are out before making a decision on upgrading... even if planning to buy NVidia. Why ? Ampere prices might be forced down a bit by Navi2X, as I'm 99% sure Navi2X will come with more memory, perhaps a LOT more memory ( 16 G for mid-range, 24 G for the top end )

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    The only thing I am afraid a bit is that coin miners will f*ck up the market again.
    If that happens, no end of 2020 upgrade for me.
     
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    im desperate for upgrade as i sit on 1060 gtx and it struggles with newest games . (its not that bad , managed Horizon Zero at quite high settings 45fps+). Im afraid cyberpunk 2077 and 1060 gtx is bad idea :D
     
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    My god i swear some people here....
    The benchmarks we are seeing are presumably from a stock 3080 vs a stock 2080ti.
    I like those numbers, especially when they are coming from a card rated 500$ less.
    To everyone who is disappointed by those numbers, take into account that your results are OCed and if you look at the median results you'll see results way worse than yours.
    For eg. 2080ti median is around 14000+ in timespy. Nowhere near the 17800 of the result we see here and of course nowhere near the 17100 we see some users posting here.
    Heck there is a guy with over 21000 score with a single 2080Ti so according to your logic the 3080 is way worse than a single 2080Ti.
    Just wait for the nda to break and we start seeing some custom cards being tested with better clocks and please stop using your PC as a reference.
     
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    There has been several gens where it was a MUST to upgrade... 8800 series, 200 series, 400 series, 700 series, 900 series, 1000 series... all those had MASSIVE performance gains - at least 50% improvement over the previous gen, but usually 70+ %.

    But apparently people suffer from short term memory, and now think that every gen only gave a 30% improvement like the 2000 series... which is not the case.
     
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    Between 24 and 45% faster than 2080Ti wile being cheaper, I'd say this generation was a roll back from the 2000 series and a massive step forward. Let's hope AMD deliver with good competition so next year we see this as a trend: lower price, more performance.
     
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    You do not see the big picture here. Its cheaper becouse nvidia overpriced 2000 series so much its laughable. So it seems like a its a good deal but in reality 2080ti should have been priced similar 1080ti in the first place.
     
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    Most of the newer generations here didn't come out with 50% improvement. 780 came out earlier than the 780Ti, was only a 25% increase over the 680. 980 came out a year before the 980Ti, was only 5% faster than a 780Ti. 1080 was only ~30% faster then a 980Ti.

    It's definitely possible we see a 3080Ti that's essentially a 3090 with less VRAM at a cheaper price within a year. If that's the case the launch would be no different then most of the ones you're describing.

    I don't agree. It's a 700mm2+ card, the production cost alone is double a 1080Ti. Maybe it shouldn't be $1200 but it definitely is going to cost more than a 1080Ti. That's not to mention that AMD was pricing the VII at like ~$700 and it was what, like 40% slower than a 2080Ti?
     
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    Well, the big chips later released as x80 ti chips, has always been launched along side the x80, starting with the 680 under the titan name... quite a brilliant scheme by nvidia to put a huge markup in price on what would previously just have been the x80 chip, like in the 480 etc... As is the case now with the 3090 - nvidia just forfeited the titan name for some reason... too poor sales perhaps?

    In any case, the 3090 only has 20% more cuda cores than the 3080, and if the 3080 is only 25% faster than the 2080 ti... then the 3090 or a potential 3080 ti wont be 50+% faster than the 2080 ti, let alone 70% faster, like the 1080 ti was over the 980 ti.
     
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    You have a point but if you divide the performance increase over the number of generations then we get a 25/30% increase over the 1080Ti and that´s nothing to write about. Although for me the biggest concern is the 10Gb memory.

    The reviews will show how good this new cards really are anyway.
     
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    I've been running Afterburner for years, but never once opened the Rivatuner part of it :eek:
     
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    so a 3080 will be a great upgrade over my 1080, now i just have to wait for EVGA to release the FTW edition.
     
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    And apparently some peopl's reading comprehension is suffering, because they missed the fact that this 30% boost is from the 2080 SUPER, not the OG 2080. That means you need to subtract another 10% to meet the same criteria that you're talking about.

    Your short term memory is lacking, as well. What ACTUALLY happened in those years where the boost was better is that the new gen flagship cards matched the performance of the top end of the previous line, so a 1080 was as fast as a 980Ti, the 980 was as fast as a 780Ti, etc. From all indications, the 3080 FAR surpasses the 2080Ti, so this gen is actually a bit faster than the ones you are talking about. The 2000 series was the anomaly here, and the 3000 works to rectify the poor performance of that generation vs the 1000.
     
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    That's not entirely accurate. Amphere SMs have two math units (vs one on Turing), one of which is dedicated to FP32 and the other which defaults to FP32 but can be used for interger on demand. So, yes, it has the same interger capabilities as Turing, but it can do FP ops at the same time, which Turing cannot.

    It's also important to note that every Amphere SM acts as its own ROP, and that on the 3080 and 3090 the memory is essentially capable of twice as many I/O operations per clock as well.
     
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    Seriously, if you are going to correct me on facts from the article, then you better be damn sure what you are saying is correct - which obviously it isnt. The benchmark results is the 3080 compared to the 2080 ti AND 2080s, but the lackluster 30ish % is vs the 2080 ti...

    You really need to look into crap before you spew your lack of knowledge. The 980 and 1080 were based on the smaller gm204 and gp104 chips, and while faster than the previous gen top chips, that gave alot of room for improvement with the big gm200 and gp102 chips used in the 980 ti and 1080 ti. The major difference here is that the 3080 is based on the big chip ga102 just like the 3090... meaning there is very little room for improvement with a potential 3080 ti. So while the 980 ti was 60ish % faster than the 780 ti, and the 1080 ti was 70ish % faster than the 980 ti, the 3080 ti will at best be 40ish % faster than the 2080 ti.
     
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    Ah, gotcha. Didn't know that.
     
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    Dude, WTF are you on about? Your comparison should have the 3090 in that last slot, NOT the 3080, since you are comparing Ti cards to Ti cards. The 3080 is NOT a direct replacement for the 2080Ti, it's one step down.

    I don't know where you are getting the impression that the die a chip is built on matters that much. The die a card is built on means literally nothing as far as expected performance; they can take a GA102 die and laser it down until it's as fast as a GT 710 if they wanted to. They are selling 2060s based on GT104 right now, and they perform exactly like a GT106 based one does - they are doing it because they have an overstock of GT104 cores in inventory and needed to move them so they could stock GA cores. A larger die has the POTENTIAL to be a faster card, but they use them however they see fit to make maximum profits. In the case of the 3080, someone decided that GA104 didn't fit their plan for the 3080, so they went with a highly cut down GA102 instead, end of story. It could be that yields were higher than expected and they decided to bump everything up to make things harder on AMD, or that they wanted to leave room to grow into a Ti/SUPER card in a year or two, or yields could have been LOWER than expected and they had a lot of chips that didn't pass muster as 3090s so they used the QA failures as 3080s. It doesn't really matter why they did it, and it doesn't even matter that they did it at all - it is what it is.

    The fact that the non-Ti 3080 is 40-60% faster than the 2080 Super (which makes it 50-70% faster than a 2080FE) and 30-50% faster than the 2080Ti is a huge gain for a single gen improvement. nVidia has (with the notable exception of Turing) targeted moving the price/performance categories one step down every generation (a 1080 was roughly as fast as a 980Ti, a 1070 was the same as a 980, 1060 was a 970, etc). The 3080 being 30% faster than a 2080Ti is 20-30% more performance than typical for a generational leap. You should be excited about this, not acting like they spit in your face.
     
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    Your Pascal numbers way off. Pascal was the biggest generational leap since G80. Ampere may achieve a similar jump too, at least for the 3070. The 3080 is a slightly different beast this time around so cant put it in same xx80 categories as before due to it sharing of the 3090 (GA102) chip.
    https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,28.html
     
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