FCC Approves Net Neutrality Rules For 'Open Internet'

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  1. Clouseau

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    @Fender178

    If you really think this is about the individual consumer, way, way off base. All this has done is to bring the internet under a highly regulated classification. Broadband already operates effectively as a monopoly. They initially made a verbal attempt to bring about competition. But the providers were allowed to make backroom deals amongst themselves. Competition is the only way the consumer benefits.

    The title has nothing to do with the bill's intent. It creates a revenue stream for all governmental agencies involved. It has created the Holy Grail situation of being able to increase taxes without calling it an income tax. Sorry, misspoke; the accepted term is fees not taxes. That is the model the Health Care Act effectively followed; increase the base so new fees can be created.
     
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    What I mean by the customers I am talking about Customers as a whole. Comcast is wrongfully is blocking the HBO go app because they want the customer to pay for a full cable package instead of just internet. If you read the rest of my statement. I said that Net Neutrality would help the smaller ISPs against the bigger ones. Also what makes you think it is not about the customers as well as what you mentioned?
     
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    Because broaband is the only item being classified at the moment. Thanks to the government this now has a legal definition instead of an industry standard definition. Added procedures carry a cost. These will get passed down. Just like the electric industry, they will justify whatever they want and it will be granted. Econ states that even in a monopolistic environment the entire cost is never passed down. What is our portion? The only thing this accomplished is having to present a rate hike to an oversight committee and that process carries a cost we will be paying for. So how are these extra fees beneficial?

    This whole dance is about increasing revenues without raising taxes. Why is it pot is legal in some states. Tax revenues from the sale of is getting ready to appear. We the customers will still be over taxed but now the government has a regulatory hand on how the internet is delivered. That is never good. Why was the telecommunications industry deregulated? Because competition is what truly benefits the customer. When in the history of the world has government regulatory oversight ever accomplished anything on the side of the customer without being self serving in a huge way to itself? Mark Twain said it best, if one does not read the paper, they are uninformed. If one reads the paper they are misinformed.
     
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    The FCC acts within it's authority....and now Congress wants to overreach and harm consumers. Congress, as usual, thinking about major corporations and how they can pass a bill to harm the general population. I've seriously grown to hate this Anti-America Congress we've had for the last 6 years.....
     

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    Authority given two generations ago for a completely different purpose.
     
  6. sykozis

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    FCC literally stands for "Federal COMMUNICATIONS Commission"..... The internet is now a way of communicating. Hense, the FCC should be the ones to regulate it. Now these idiots, bought and paid for by the ISPs, want to completely deregulate the ISPs, ban Municipal Networks and block any future attempts to regulate the ISPs. Good luck with that one. Every internet user in the US is screwed if that bill passes. That bill will never increase competition. It actually prevents competition and attempts to ensure that the Gov't can never do anything to cause competition in the future. It will become the only industry in the US that is completely unregulated.....and we'll all suffer as a result.

    Btw, they acted within their authority, based on it's stated purpose.
     
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    tel·e·com·mu·ni·ca·tion

    noun

    communication over a distance by cable, telegraph, telephone, or broadcasting.

    The Telecommunications Act of 1996, enacted by the U.S. Congress on February 1, 1996, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on February 8, 1996, provided major changes in laws affecting cable TV, telecommunications, and the Internet.

    The internet is a form of telecommunications, something that falls under the FCC's authority or at least used to be. Who knows what the current definition truly is now.

    Like Sykozis has said, these idiots cannot deal with the laws that were passed to promote competition. Instead they redefine the topic at hand and mess everything up in the process. The whole redefining process is what the current President will be remembered for, because that is all Congress and his administration has done.
     
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    Congress has become so Anti-America it's ridiculous. At this point, they're more a danger to Americans than any terrorist group. At least with the "terrorist" groups, we know what their intentions are. With the 2 political parties we have, their intentions vary based on which party the President is from. God Forbid our next President ends up being a woman... If so, I'm moving to Canada before Congress decides to abort us all....
     
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    ^This^

    Imigration, Healthcare, Communications... No laws actually passed by anything resembling 'normal' methods, and we have the Dems primarily to thank for it.
     
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    Republicans announced when Obama won the first election that their job was to make him look as bad as they possibly could. Seems everyone missed that formal announcement. So far, Republicans have spent more time trying to ensure nothing passes that actually benefits anyone, than they have actually trying to improve the country. When a political party tries to prevent the country from moving forward, should the country just simply halt progression for 1 Congressional term? Obama was elected by the people. By electing Obama, the population ordered Congress to work WITH him to improve the country. So far, they've done nothing but work against Obama. That's why this country is in the shape it is. "Party lines" are the only things that matter anymore. Republicans would push the country to bankruptcy if necessary to make Obama look bad. I'm not saying Democrats are any better. All they care about is "party lines" as well. Neither has the mental capacity to figure out that they're hurting the entire country. The maturity level in DC is equal to that of a 5y.o. these days.
     
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    That isnt the way I remember it. Im pretty sure it was Harry Reid who said that.


    I guess now that the Reps are in charge of Congress that Obama has been 'ordered to work with them'?

    What ever happened to co-equal branches?
     
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    Very well said. It has been the Republicans that have been ruining the country for the most part since George W. Bush was president. I'm not saying all the Republicans are responsible but the majority are. There are some Democrats in the mix such as Hillary Clinton who did some dumb things such such as using her personal email for work related things instead of her work email.
     
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    The whole black/white, left/right political parties and the cultist level that people associate with such parties has got to stop. It ain't no football game, it ain't "this group against this other group". All it does is distract and divide, and it'll never end. People love their so less than perfect mental walls of "Oh, that's just liberal/conservative bull****" and don't look any deeper into stuff. And the parties so rarely go after their own.

    And it doesn't help real journalism is a dead thing in this country. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...ts-come-home-stories-case-study-media-deceit/
     
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    http://www.cnet.com/news/comcast-vs-netflix-is-this-really-about-net-neutrality/

    As for FCC and Net Neutrality. I really don't expect the Government to have consumers best interests in mind. If you look at anything else they've done for the past 30+ years most of it is for themselves.

    Price will most likely go up to various fees (which would happen eventually without the FCC), but services will be the same as it always will be.
     
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    No no no, you don't understand. When the President is elected, that's the people saying "Hey, you have to do what this guy says" I mean what, do you think the rest of congress was elected?
     

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    That begs the question; What did Obama say that got him elected?

    I dont want to know what he is against. He seems to be against almost everything. What is he for?
     
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    Harry Reid is a sack of crap just like Nancy Pelosi, however, you remember things incorrectly. It was in fact a Republican who made the statement. The Democrats actually support their own, unlike the Republicans who only support members of their particular "branch" of their party.

    Real journalism had to die. How else would Anti-Democrat propaganda get spread? Most media outlets are heavily Republican biased. They can't report facts, and skew information to meet the agenda of their party at the same time.

    Liberal Republicans will attack Conservative Republicans and vise versa, unless they have an opportunity to attack Democrats.
     
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    In the first election, he promised health care reform. John McCain promised more taxes and free money for health insurance companies with no strings attached.

    In the second election, he wasn't Mitt Romney, who's well known for selling America to the Chinese. Romney and his friends started an "investment firm" that bought American companies, took out loans against those companies, then sold the companies off to China. Romney also promised to do away with "Obamacare"....which would leave tens of millions of Americans without health insurance once again.
     
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    What Republican said it? Guaranteed you won't find it.
     
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    I meant that Harry Reid said that about the Republicans. Sorry for the confusion.
    If the Republicans actually said that Id like to see the quote.


    You cant be serious. Fox is the only thing even remotely conservative in their bias.
     

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