EU could be fining Google over Android

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  1. MasterBash

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    To your first question, yes I will say the same thing, but it does not mean I will be ok with it. Sometimes, even if something does not bother me, I still fight for the users and for myself if I think too much is too much. I have nothing to hide, but being ok with it is another matter. For now, I am fine with it, my answer might change in the future if it goes too far.

    I never used Windows Phone, but I know my incoming emails are very slow using the Mail software from Windows 10. Another thing that is useful is the google drive integration with docs/sheets/slides when you have people working together on one thing. I really love that feature and I believe it is still not available on Microsoft Office. I used the cortana stuff to sync my android messages to my Windows 10, but that too was synced very slowly and I got notifications quite late, but I can't tell if its an Android or a Windows problem. However, the recent addition of messages.android.com is very useful for me.

    I suppose it depends what your needs are. In general, I use free and/or Open Source software to get my work done when google or microsoft does not have a suitable program/app for the work I want to get done, and those apps often do not support any sync features. From someone who never used a Windows Phone, what would be the advantages of doing so? Maybe you are right that Windows Phone is better for productivity, but I know that I really need my emails right away.

    Read the first paragraph above. Your limited mental capacity allows you to assume that we are ignorant to everything they decide to do to the masses, which isn't true at all. Just like everything else in life, there is a limit to everything. At the moment, I am fine with google using my personal information and I enjoy using their services. I think that is a fine trade-off. Being ok with it does not mean I am ok with all the privacy breaches that are going on out there. It doesn't mean I won't fight for other people even if it doesn't directly affect me. Like I said, I got nothing to hide, so I decided to use google services. The pros of using their services outweighs the cons for me. One situation, which is limited to this present moment, does not mean I am ok with everything out there or that I will be ok with what google does in the future.

    Recording users' personal information will always happen. It keeps many businesses alive. I am not against that at all, to me its more about how much I will tolerate.
     
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  2. sykozis

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    I don't rely on Windows Mail for e-mail. I use the relevant websites for each e-mail service I use. I tried using Windows Mail in the past but found it to be too irritating. A simple popup with a notification that an e-mail was received would be fine. However, I don't want a popup displaying information regarding the e-mail that was received. The last e-mail client I used was actually Outlook because I could control when it sync'd e-mail.

    Windows Phone had Office Mobile, OneDrive, E-mail and a web browser. All comparable to the services offered by Google. I could see where there would be a disconnect using an iOS device and Windows, but Windows Phone was more productivity oriented than Android is. To each their own though. I'm not here to argue. Everyone has their preference. I was just curious.
     
  3. Carfax

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    Well we don't know how much Google would charge for their OS and software, or how the final price would be calculated with the phone. But rest assured, the device manufacturers would pass it on to the consumers. And while you might not care, there are lots of people out there that would as Android is dominantly featured on budget devices all over the World, including many of the poorest nations.
     
  4. D3M1G0D

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    I've thought about using a Windows phone in the past but never really got the chance (I've been waiting to see if they'll release a Surface phone, but they never did). I'm pretty much used to Android at this point, and I prefer to allow Google to read my emails. It tells me when my packages are arriving, about upcoming appointments (and when I should leave to be on time), when my plane is leaving for the Bahamas (including any schedule changes), etc. I also like how my Google Now and/or Chrome monitors my searches and brings up articles of interest - I often times stop when I'm currently searching for to read what it found (in fact, this was how I learned about the biggest hockey news this summer - John Tavares signing with my Toronto Maple Leafs :)). Google Now also brings up context-specific information, like the traffic and transit conditions going to/from work, as well as severe weather alerts. Of course none of this is groundbreaking, but it makes my user experience far more personalized and intelligent (puts the "smart" in smartphones ;)). My car also has Android Auto, so I just need to say "take me home" and it'll take me home.

    I think it's safe to say that most people want Google services on their Android phone. I can't imagine a customer buying a phone that doesn't have YouTube on it, and the ability to store infinite photos and videos on Google Photos is hard to resist. Whether or not the EU successfully forces Google to adjust their app policy, the fact of the matter is that Google has already won. Their tactics have led them to become the dominant service provider for Android phones and there is really no going back. It's not like Samsung is suddenly going to be able to make their Galaxy App store a success because people can uninstall YouTube, LOL.
     

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    The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

    Still True.

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    one big money grab! .....consumer gets f*****

    let's say the EU wins this! .....they will never give you a dime.
     
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  6. -Tj-

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    Google makes enough revenue from those intrusive adds anyway.


    What EU gave me is a choice not to have forced uninstallable apps on top of OS.
    That's good enough for me.
     
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  7. fry178

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    @Carfax
    let me rephrase it.
    any company that is on the planet to make money (aka for-profit), will charge "you" directly or indirectly.
    do you really want to tell me that all the R&D/labor cost google has (e.g. new os) will get absorbed by google?
    right.

    they will pass it on, be it as "separate" cost/charge, or included in the cost of the device (when they pass it on to companies).

    i rather pay a little money for the OS, and be free of any pre installed and/or (far more annoying worse) non-removable (and "disable" does NOT equal uninstall) stuff,
    than have it "free" but at higher cost of the device (and part of it going to google that way).
    or even a license/serial similar to win, no matter what device im running it on.
     
  8. Carfax

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    Yeah, but now thanks to the E.U, people might now have to pay for the OS, and STILL suffer YouTube ads and Google ad tracking.
     
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  9. Carfax

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    You do realize that Android is a free open source project? Amazon has their own version of Android that doesn't have any Google apps or features. Nobody is forcing the phone manufacturers to use Google's version of Android. They can come up with their own (and some of them have) if they want to. The fact that the vast majority of them decide to install Google's Android (and put their own artificial spin on it) on their phones speaks volumes, because that's what people WANT. Google's software is in many ways brilliant and offers a level of integration and cohesiveness that very few other software companies can match.

    Question. Do you use an iPhone or Android? And if you use the latter, do you use Google's apps?
     
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    Yes of course the provider needs to adjust the price because of the added cost, so no it wasnt the EU who raised the price but they forced the provider to include roaming and secondly the price for a MB is very badly regulated by the EU that part they didnt give a frack about EU is not a consumer protector its a bureaucracy for livelyhood politicians.
     

  11. fantaskarsef

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    Who was making money off of people using another country's mobile net with more cost than a local phone user paid even though the technical service is EXACTLY the same? Those companies you complain about charging different prices for MB, yet you don't want roaming costs to be equaled out?
    Sure, the EU isn't great and as you said yourself, has many things that are wrong, but don't get me wrong, the companies charged more money for something that requires literally no more work or resources. The carriers are not innocent here.
     
  12. SerotoNiN

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    You'll make a great politician.
     
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  13. fry178

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    @Carfax except i dont care to have limitations on MY phone, just so a different handsets software or just google's rules arent broken.
    and you do realise that open source doesnt mean no-cost.

    latter, and no, and could live without android as i did prior sony's switch.
    same for tvs. android is slower and lags like crap (over sony's own os), even with animation rate down to x0.5
     
  14. Carfax

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    Well you could always root your phone if it's that much of a problem for you.

    I said "free open source." Android open source project is free and anyone can do with it what they please, as many manufacturers have already done.

    Well there you go. You just proved to yourself the flaw in the E.U's reasoning. You have an Android device, but you don't use Google's software through choice. Whether it's a browser, an email client, a messaging app, you have literally hundreds or thousands of choices. The only real constraint is the Google play store, but as I've said before, there's nothing stopping manufacturers from making their own app stores. The reason why they haven't is the same reason why Chrome is the number one browser in both desktop and mobile.
     
  15. fry178

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    yet i still have the google crap preinstalled, and most can only be disabled, but not removed.

    and i wont root my phone for things that should be that way already (no apps pre installed, or can be completely removed.)
     

  16. Fox2232

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    Yes, bare OS where 95% of users will not be able to install needed software. Or even better, allow full removal of everything someone considers undesirable... How many devices will become unable to operate and recover?

    There is price to be paid, And I do not think it is worth paying just because someone does not understand what state application is in "Disabled" state.
     
  17. fry178

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    i dont care about others, im the one buying the phone and im the one using it.
    do you use auto update on all drivers/software/windows on your machine like 80% of users,
    or do you manual install? ...
    preinstall all the crap "you" want, just give ME the option to remove it from MY device
    ( i get unlocked phones) and im fine.
    same way i dont get office preinstalled when i buy windows.
     
  18. D3M1G0D

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    Update on this news item.

    Looks like Google has found a clever and profitable way to implement the EU's ruling. They will make search providers bid for a spot on the selection screen for the default search engine:

    https://www.android.com/choicescreen/
     

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