EU could be fining Google over Android

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  1. Carfax

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    Trump has nothing to do with the U.S wanting to get out of NATO. NATO has been a problem for the U.S for years, it's only now that we have a President with a big mouth that's really pushing the issue. Also Trump relatively speaking spent far less (about half) on his Presidential campaign than Clinton, but still won. The 2016 was about "The Outsider" and populism, so money didn't play as large a factor as it usually does. The citizens of the U.S voted for Trump because they wanted someone to throw a monkey wrench into the system, and that's exactly what he's doing.

    Yes, that's mostly what I'm referring to. NATO was originally created to act as a bulwark against the Soviets. But now that the U.S.S.R no longer exists, and Russia aside from its nukes has a relatively much weaker military than the U.S and a much smaller economy (similar to Italy's by all accounts), there's really no need for NATO any longer. Russia is really only a threat to some of its former small satellite states. But that's a European problem as far as I'm concerned.

    Also, Europe has benefited tremendously over the years (especially Germany) due to a strong military presence of U.S troops all across the continent. Because of this, many European nations have spent FAR LESS on their defense than would ordinarily be custom if it wasn't for NATO. Less Military spending, means more money for their socialist programs, which isn't a bad thing per say, but it's indirectly coming at the cost of U.S taxpayer money. You see the same thing in Canada, another member of NATO. Because of Canada's proximity to the U.S and the U.S being a friendly nation, its Military spending is a small fraction of their economy.

    It's time for Europe to be responsible for its own defense, and if they want protection from Russia, they should pay the U.S rather than simply leeching off of us like they've been doing for decades.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying. As I am neither a US citizen or a citizen of a country that's part of NATO, I wanted to understand your point of view. I won't comment on it though, since I have little to say as somebody not involved in either US politics or NATO politics, or my country being neither involved in both.
     
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    Now if they would just fine Facebook some more so it isn't installed as a god damn system app! There isn't even a way to root the Samsung Galaxy S9+ (North American Snapdragon 845 version) yet. And if I do root, services like Uber and Lyft don't seem to work. Up yours Zucc.

    There should be hard and enforced laws against blatant crapware.
     
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    I think in the end it will be a disservice to consumers because it will end up with Google either raising the price or so that companies like samsung, sony, lg etc. will have to charge more and in the end well we will get even more expensive phones thank you EU, the phone subscriptions here where i live got more expensive last time EU meddled with the free market and forced roaming thanks again EU procreating retards
     

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    So you got a letter from the EU raising your plan's cost? Don't really think so ;)
    The problem here is that service providers try to bring in the money that the EU doesn't want them to earn anymore, in phone services across countries, that they push it onto the customers is the company's decision all by themselves, don't forget that. They could also just leave it be like it was and not charge more for roaming, but they chose to not do that, without any EU forcing them to put a higher price tag on your plan.
     
  6. NewTRUMP Order

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    Actually they can, at least Snapchat.

    Once rooted it refuses to login, if I run hide my root it works again..

    You can restore super su library later and app still works.


    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amphoras.hidemyroot
     
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    I guess having an option of what to install is too hard for some people to understand.
    Although you can remove most things via TWRP, Google search is a bit more integrated into Android.

    You could just use Magisk, works for Android Pay and my bank.
     
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    Somehow China is doing even better than USA and all without Google... This will just open up doors for Chinese companies to enter EU market and it will mean more competition and lower prices.
     
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    Oh just cut the crap, your posts are absolutely ridiculous and one sided. Stop with this USA is a victim rhetoric. USA is using and abusing everyone and everything that they can. All countries, friendly and unfriendly get used and abused by USA. So many wars and conflicts started and still ongoing, so many countries destroyed by the USA.

    USA is destroying this planet. It's like a giant parasite. USA wastes the most water, throws away the most food and is one of the largest polluters. Even you are polluting this forum right now by talking about NATO which has nothing to do whatsoever regarding this topic.

    This was derailed so much by all the EU haters and corporate shills. I guess EU hating is popular thing to do nowadays.
     

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    I have package disabler pro and it disables all the stuff, google bloat - chrome, videos, books and what not and extra samsung bloat, but can't hide root.

    This app is easy 2 clicks and its ok.
     
  12. Only Intruder

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    Seems like you missed my point... The reason Chrome gained popularity originally is that it was a small, lightweight, efficient and fast web browser which is in stark contrast to its performance today having a much larger memory footprint and demand on processing time in addition to the multitude of tracking and telemetry related features (yes these can be turned off but these tracking features are opt-out and of course, incognito mode could also be used).

    In the argument of the recent Android complaints is that, Chrome is installed by default (and various other features, Google drive, search and other unessential/optional features) due to pressure/leverage by Google on phone networks/manufacturers and not possible to be completely removed. It can be disabled yes and other browsers on the phone can be set to default or it's possible to install custom roms on phones and/or root devices and edit features as necessary but this runs the risk of voiding warranty (if you read my post prior to my last one, you'll see I explained this).

    In the case of why Apple hasn't been mentioned in this regard, it's likely because iPhone and iOS are products operated and supplied completely by Apple, it's a complete package unlike Android which is customisable and upto OEMs to manage and decide on features to be used on subsequent devices. I doubt the EU legislation would have been necessary if Android was only supplied on phones direct from Google such as the Nexus and Pixel line of phones rather than being an operating system designed for various platforms and devices.
     
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    Sure, have device made your way. Then device made your neighbor's way. Then you can make device with software selection based on each of asylum's patients wishes.

    Your will is important to you, but do not impose it on me. I think there is enough of crapware in Android from manufacturer/cell operator.
    Do you think Chinese phones sell well without Android? Can you point me to Androidless Chinese phone doing well?
    Because I was apparently writing about android based devices. Guess what is this topic about :D
    (No Android in EU => no Chinese phones with Android in EU.)
     
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    @Carfax
    Last time i checked, if i dont like a song, i change the station or turn it off.
    How about getting out if nato, if the US doesn't like it.
    Just because the bully decided to spend 4 more times on the military than russia/China/india together, doesn't mean everyone else needs too.

    And one thing ppl forget, back till ww2 nothing could "reach" the US mainland .
    Now long range stuff can, and any nuclear tipped missiles can be equipped with conventional warheads, the same way the B52 and B1 were converted for conventional ammo.

    Not even getting into the fact that the whole planet is paying for YeeHaaUSA regularly messing with other countries.
     
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    Wow it seems you are really in need of a history lesson. The worst conflicts ever to grace the entire Earth were started in Europe, by Europeans. And no other continent has been as imperialistic as Europe by a long shot.

    You show your bias and your ignorance with this kind of anti American rhetoric. The worst polluter in the World is China, and the countries with the most polluted air and water are predominantly in south and east Asia. And yeah, NATO has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever I freely admit, but it's still interesting :D
    Much like America bashing :rolleyes:
     
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    Chrome is still to this day the overall highest performing and most popular browser, despite the fact that it has become bloated and focused on data mining. If Chrome was slow and inefficient, then nobody would be using it and it wouldn't have such a large market share.

    Google owns Android, and its monetizing strategy is centered around ads. With that in mind, its no wonder why Google is using these tactics because they want to make money. The alternative of course is to charge smartphone makers that sell to the E.U and use Android, which will effectively drive up the cost of smartphones for E.U citizens, and possibly elsewhere in the World as well.

    Yes I agree with this. But like I said earlier, be careful what you wish for. Android is free, but only because its monetizing strategy is centered around advertisements. Without that, Google will likely have to charge Android smartphone makers, and they will simply pass that on to consumers.
     
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    Oh boy this thread just turned full political.

    None of these countries/governments are perfect - the key is to look at each piece individually, understand the nuances and try to make good judgement. A lot of people boil these issues down to black and white and it's never that simple.

    Anyway I think we should get back on topic as these derailments typically don't end well.
     
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    There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth if the U.S ever pulls out of NATO, and mostly from the Europeans I'd wager since they have the most to lose by far. Germany in particular would take a big hit to their economy, as they would actually have to invest in a Military. Despite Germany having the strongest economy in the E.U, their Military is a joke, and couldn't even sustain a major conflict for no longer than a couple of days if even that without U.S support.

    Nobody is saying these countries should spend as much on their Military as the U.S. But if they are not even meeting the agreed upon financial requirements to join NATO in the first place, it's not incumbent on the U.S to pay for those countries.

    Nobody likes a free loader!

    Mutually assured destruction keeps Russia, the U.S and any other nuclear armed nation in check when it comes to the prospect of Nuclear warfare.

    Care to expound on this?
     
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    Iran needed money. Here it is.
     
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    I'll bite.
    China's internal wars for unification ridicule WW2. European invasion to America leading to current existence of USA drove native population close to extinction and I am quite sure many bloodlines were extinct. USA today holds military stranglehold almost around entire globe.
    That pollution in China mainly due to US exporting(outsourcing) their dirty business there. EU is to blame partly too. NATO, UN have a lot on their plates. Those organizations are parody to what they were meant to be.
    During communism we had song writer who considered it bleak and wrote many songs which transcended communism and are sadly applicable to those organizations.
    USA is easy target for bashing as you can pick any decade of its existence and find quite some atrocity there.
     

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