eom reinstall xp on old toshiba laptop ???'s

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  1. ron7000

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    oem reinstall xp on old toshiba laptop ???'s

    have a toshiba A75-S209 laptop. Pentium 4 3ghz cpu, ati mobility radeon 9100 IGP graphics, realtek audio and NIC.
    I have the toshiba reinstall cd that came with the laptop, and it has the COA sticker on the bottom of the laptop with the 25 character key.

    Used my dell XP reinstall cd with service pack 2 on it, installed fine, tried to activate with my key and did not work. I then tried an older dell xp reinstall cd that was windows home with service pack 1, that installed fine but would not activate. Also tried calling microsoft and the indian gave me the call my manufacturer speech and hung right up. So I used my toshiba cd which is a ghost image that throws AOL, Norton 2002, and a bunch of other **** that takes as long to remove as it does to reimage the disk.

    Is there a way to load winxp cleanly from my dell restore cd's, because it has all the drivers too for the eternet card, sound, etc. then somehow activate it off the toshiba restore cd? Isn't windows xp windows xp, why would it or how does it matter whether it comes from my toshiba cd or my dell cd? I thought my laptop was licensed for xp, what am I missing?
    thanks.
     
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  2. Watcher

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    Two options:

    Option One: You can install with Dell, activate Windows and then use " Dell De-Crapifier " to have it remove all the programs automatically.

    http://www.yorkspace.com/2006/04/38

    http://www.majorgeeks.com/PC_De-Crapifier_d5223.html

    http://www.portablefreeware.com/?id=995

    http://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTAB...em-Enhancements/Portable-PC-Decrapifier.shtml


    Option Two: You can install with Dell, activate Windows and then export the drivers using " DriverMax "

    http://www.innovative-sol.com/

    http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=34605

    http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/DriverMax.shtml

    http://www.majorgeeks.com/DriverMax_d5260.html

    http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/drivermax/drivermax.html

    http://maximillianx.blogspot.com/2008/02/backup-and-restore-your-drivers.html

    You will also need to export the activation file from Windows. You can use " RockXP " to perform this task.


    RockXP allows you to:

    - To retrieve and change your XP Key
    - To save your XP activation file
    - To retrieve your lost XP system passwords
    - To retrieve your lost RAS (Remote Access Settings) passwords
    - And to generate new passwords

    http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4138.html


    Transferring Windows XP Activation Information

    http://netsecurity.about.com/od/windowsxp/qt/aaqtwinxp0829.htm

    After you have done the above two sets, load the Toshiba disk and use the above files to install drivers and activate Windows.

    Should work. Will take a bit of time to perform the operation. Let us know how it goes.

    Watcher
     
  3. MrN

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    You can do this:

    Find the key used to activate the pre-installed XP. You can use the magic jelly bean key finder for this.
    This key is different from the key that is printed under the laptop and will be easier to activate. Store this somewhere safe for later.

    In a command window, type vol c:
    This will give you the volume ID of your XP partition.
    Store this also for later. It is in this format xxxx-xxxx, with numbers and letters instead of x.

    Get an XP OEM CD from a friend. I am not talking about a Dell CD or any other OEM CD that is associated with any company. I am talking about a clean XP OEM CD that you can buy from newegg or any other computer store or etailer.
    Alternatively, you can build one yourself following the instructions on this link.
    http://www.howtohaven.com/system/createwindowssetupdisk.shtml

    Now, use this CD to install XP.
    When you are asked to enter the key, enter the key you recovered from the original pre-installed XP. You stored this before.

    If you have an imaging software, it is a good idea to create an image now so that you can restore to this point if something goes wrong next and you want to avoid going through the 40-minute installation. This is a good free powerful option: http://clonezilla.org/

    Use Volumeid program (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897436.aspx) to change the volume ID of your freshly installed XP to what it was on the pre-installed. You stored this before.

    The XP partition volume ID is one of the parameters XP monitors to detect system change to trigger re-activation.

    Now, the laptop is exactly the way it was when it was first activated. Go to the control panel and "System" page to check to see if it requires activation.

    If it does, go ahead and activate.

    I have done this, including building my own XP CD using the link I provided, for my Toshiba laptop (A35).
    I ended up with a clean activated XP installation with no demo software.
    I downloaded all the drivers from Toshiba and was good to go.

    Edit:
    All drivers for your laptop model (Satellite A75-S209) are here:
    http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/...3&selFamily=1073768663&selModel=835416|PSA70U

    Edit 2:
    After creating my XP CD, I used nlite to slipstream SP3. This is optional of course. You can always apply the service pack after you install.
     
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    You can get the drivers online.....
     

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    hey thanks a lot.
    I just got finished reloading the ghost image from toshiba, removing all the crap, windows update, is now defragging and i think i will make a backup image of it next then start all over. I plan on buying a bigger faster hard drive so i will be doing this all over again anyway.
    will give it all a shot tomorrow on the current drive.
     
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    oh forgot to ask. is there a difference between home edition and professional edition?
    My laptop is xp home. Can I use a xp professional cd or do i need to stick with the home edition version cd?
     
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    They are different. If you have an XP Home key, you will need an XP Home installation CD.
    The link I provided, for creating an XP install CD, includes the instructions for creating the appropriate version of the installation CD.
     
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    Windows XP Home Edition

    • Contains basic support for security among multiple users.
    • Built-in support for peer-to-peer networking, but only for up to five computers.
    • The backup utlity is not installed by default, but is included on the CD.
    Windows XP Professional Edition

    • Includes extended support for security between multiple users on the same machine.
    • Better support for peer-to-peer networking, plus support for joining a "Windows NT domain."
    • The backup utlity is installed by default.
    • The Professional edition includes the following components not found in the Home edition:
      • Administrative Tools (in the Start Menu and Control Panel)
      • Automated System Recovery (ASR)
      • Boot Configuration Manager
      • DriverQuery
      • Group Policy Refresh Utility
      • Multi-lingual User Interface (MUI) add-on
      • NTFS Encryption Utilitiy
      • Offline Files and Folders
      • OpenFiles
      • Performance Log Manager
      • Remote Desktop
      • Scheduled Tasks Console
      • Security Template Utility
      • Taskkill
      • Tasklist
      • Telnet Administrator
    • Provides support for multi-processor systems (2 or 4 CPUs), Dynamic Disks, Fax.
     
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    spent a few hours yesterday, everything worked great except for the activation part.

    I made two install cd's from the instructions provided from howtohaven, however the cd's were made from my Dell reinstall cd's for winxp pro sp2 and winxp home sp1a, those were all I had yesterday. I even integrated SP3 into the cd based from winxp pro sp2 and made a windows home edition install- during the install there were missing files which were probably because I called it home edition but it worked. Then I got the activation request which i could not get around, so I wondered if it had to do with the winxp pro cd so I used my old dell windows home sp1a cd with no sp3 integration. This installed quick and flawless, but still got the activation.

    I know you said don't use a Dell reinstall cd, is this why?
    Other thing I noticed was either RockXP or jellybean key finder reported a different windows xp key from my factory installed image versus the key on the COA sticker underneath the laptop. Actually I may have mistaken the office key for the windows operating system key, I'll have to reload my factory image and recheck. But I tried both the keys and neither would activate windows, and I have the wpa.dbl file saved from my factory install that was activated. I only had that one file though, I did not have wpa.bak. And I replaced that file in safe mode in /windows/system32 and in /windows/system32/dllcache. And prior to that I changed the C: drive volume number back to what it was for my factory image.
    Should hopefully get my hands on my friends retail winxp home cd tonight.
     
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    In the factory, the manufacturer sets up a single computer and installs Windows on it and all the software garbage they want to ship with it.
    This is done with a Windows key obviously.
    Then, they make an image of this machine drive.
    Then, they restore the image on all the laptops of the exact same model. You didn't think they would spend hours setting up every single laptop, did you?
    Now, all these laptops have the same key on their Windows installation.
    However, The manufacturer is obligated to send out a dedicated windows key with each laptop.

    So, they stick a unique key on the bottom of every laptop.
    Now, the key on the bottom is different from the key that is used to install Windows on the laptop.

    You can use either one of the keys. The one that you find using Jelly bean is the one the manufacturer used to install Windows in the first place.
    You can legally use either one.
    I used the one from jelly bean.


    This is what I would do if I were you and did not have access to an original clean XP CD that i could borrow:
    1- Restore the laptop using the original Toshiba CD.
    2- Follow the instructions given on that link to the letter to build an install CD. For example, you are supposed to copy the I386 folder from the restored laptop, not from the CD.
    You are supposed to copy some files into the build folder to make the CD Home or Pro. You have to follow every step. Read it carefully and ask if every step is not clear.

    Because it seems like you may have skipped a step or two.
     

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    More on activation

    When you attempt to activate an OEM XP, several things can happen.
    It can tell you that it did not activate online and you need to call. This does not necessarily mean that it will not activate. You can call and see what they say.
    This will almost definitely happen if you use the key that is on the bottom of the laptop.


    I am not sure why you are wasting your time with wpa.dbl.
    Another sign you are not following the instructions.:(
     
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    dude, i was wasting my time with wpa.dbl because the first response said I could reinstall with Dell and then had instructions on how to transfer my windows activation with the wpa.dbl. I got like three different sets of instructions on how to go about restoring :(
     
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    LOL

    You are doing the right thing.
    Reading all the suggestions and taking charge.

    I have not read the other instructions.
    A long time ago (before SP1), it was possible to use a file called wpa.dbl to save it and restore it after a re-install on the same hardware and not have to activate.
    It has been impossible to do that since SP1 may be even before.
     
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    and... I had to check first once I got home. After I had restored the image to factory state using the toshiba CD, and that was a ghost image, I have no C:\I386 folder to use.
    I have a C:\Windows\I386 but from here http://www.howtohaven.com/system/createwindowssetupdisk.shtml

    it says "Note that only c:\i386 contains the files needed for this operation. Do not use the files in "C:\Windows\Driver Cache\i386" or any other folders.

    and you said i wasn't following directions, sonofabitch :realmad:

    :D but i think I might just stick with the cleaned up version of the toshiba image, it seems pretty good. Gonna try if I get some time to redo the winxp home cd using my c:\windows\I386 and see if it works, might try to do it on my usb key if possible, and I haven't gotten around to borrowing the retail winxp home cd yet. Thanks again though, I appreciate the help.
     
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    That folder is copied to the c drive in the case of an unattended install. If you wish you can do an unattend if you like.

    You'll also find that folder on your installation CD.
    It has the drivers and apps that are initially installed with your OS.

    If you look in your i386 folder on the CD there will be a file called UNATTEND. Open it with notepad. Inside will be your CD key.
     
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