EK Launches QuantumX Delta TEC Water Block Featuring Intel Cryo Cooling Technology

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Interested in what changed they have made since last time TEC elements was used.
    It was not a success 10 years ago and the small try that was made 5 years ago was also not a success.

    Previous tries showed that things went a bit crazy, when the CPU TDP reached more then 150 watts.
    The TEC elements quickly needed the same amount of power as the CPU, in order to make any temperature difference and suddenly the cooler needed to cool 400W of heat for a 200W CPU overclock.

    I can see it working for burst loads, if a cooling plate and CPU could be kept at 15-20 degrees at idle, instead of 30-40 degrees idle, the buffer could maybe let the CPU run at full allcore boost for 1-5 sec. before turning down to normal speeds.
    But i only see this working on top of the line CPUes because mounting this on a i5 makes no sense, because the cost would be higher then buying a i9 instead.
     
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    Reviews will show if this new attempt will really work. Don´t know how many people already tried to find a CPU cooling solution using thermoelectric elements, for so many years now.
    Depends on which thermoelectric elements are used in this "special INTEL EK cryo" design, and as already stated above, elements must have improved a lot in power efficiency (see the power connector image 2!!!), otherwise this will be another disappointing attempt (or you need a second PSU for the TEC device). €349.- is just crazy...really want to see reviews first...
     
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    already commented in the other thread but you need the same energy to dissipate heat so 200w of heat needs 200w of cooling they would be better having the coolant run over a second block with a tec and supercooling the liquid, dunno maybe thats the way it works, anyway is this what Intels new CPUs need?
     

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    I think this was the new cooling system that Linus was hinting at on one of his videos last week about the ultimate pc build. He was getting insanely cold temps but refused to give any details as of the posting of that video, so no idea what the power draw was, but he did state at the beginning of the video he wanted a 1k+ PSU for the build.

    This very well could be the product he was using and speculation has it that it actively measures the cu temp and adjusts the TEC on demand, but there's no way they figured out how to make a peltier unit more efficient, there just isn't.

    Be interesting to see the tests on this, but I get the feeling you're going to need a water cooling setup double the cooling potential than usual...
     
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    He already posted video on that .
     
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    both linus and der8auer already have videos posted today regarding this cooling solution.
     
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    The price and the inefficiency will ensure this remains an exotic device. But I guess it's still better than the ozone layer destroying industrial cooler required by Intel HEDT.
     
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    yeah watched the videos...... Imo embarrassing for intel releasing such a toy.....and only for LGA1200? Dear Intel, please invest time and money in chip design, not in cooler design and put your efforts in improving your node. Please do not try to improve old technology, I played with 20 years ago, when I was a kid......
     
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    If its possible to use it with other CPUs then probably I would get it although price is way too high

    Its shame its locked to LGA1200 or 10th gen of Intel, I have here 10900k for testing with Gigabyte Z490 Aorus and would love to test it, but £350 for this, I'm not sure on that

    Thanks, Jura
     

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    Can you hint at the video title so that i can search it?
     
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    Here is link on the video



    Thanks, Jura
     
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    Just my point: isn't it less expensive to get a second hand aquarium cooler for cold or artic fish , were you need, in most case, no more pump and rad. than this thing (and it is not even cute) ???
     
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    It's apples and oranges though.
    A clunky external unit and noise level aside, your going to have problems dealing with condensation throughout the whole system if you use an aquarium chiller.
    With a thermoelectric cooler, the only thing that gets cold is what's on the CPU side of things, hence the integrated insulation shroud to prevent condensation around the socket.

    To summarize: TEC Water block = Cools CPU. Chiller = Cools entire loop.
     
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    Very cool and if they can get it down under 100 USD with compatibility for other CPUs, it would be a good solution. Cannot wait for someone to copy it.

    Edit - nvm I just saw Cooler Master's solution WITH 360 radiator, fans and tubing.

    I mean WTF is EK thinking for the price they are charging for a water block ONLY when a similar system is available for the same price with full kit!!!

    I hope someone does a side by side test to justify the value of EK components.
     
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    The advantage of a smart chiller solution (if you don´t care noise) https://www.rigidchill.com/mini-compressor/12v-compressor/ is, that you can cool down simultaniously other components (GPU, mainboard) inside your chassis with the same cooling loop. Depends which solution, TEC or chiller, or even a stirling cooler (FPSC) is more energy efficient for your entire system. The only thing I like with the Intel solution, is the very smart controller board (dew point calculation, etc.)

    Environmental Protection is the other big question
     
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    For benching maybe .... But i hate it .... So to squeeze out 100-300mhz extra spend 200 extra watts spending 400-500 watts just for cpu and the cooling of the cpu ? A massive aio and 100-300 less mhz sound a lot more reasonable.
     
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    As everything, it depend on how low you set the temp... if moderate you don't have condensation,
    Anyway with TEC you can have condensation too if set too low.
    About the noise of the chiller, mine were in a dentist office, nearly noiseless and nothing to compare with real industrial or computer version (much more noisier but that can even go below zero °c for industrial)...
    The price is softer too and there is diameter that already exist in WC... no adaptator needed.
     
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    I got mine preordered, excited to see how this technology has evolved.
     
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    If you modify the waterblock to fit any other socket, it may work for AMD and graphiccards as well !? Modification already done here:

    Problem is software compatibility issue, cooling a Ryzen with an Intel CPU......funny
     
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