people talking of cards destroying a 2080 are missing some point. I m an average consumer, i bought 2 years ago a 1080ti, still new. I won't spend 800eur ( current price i could find on amazon ) for a 2080super. 5700XT for around 450 is not a worth upgrade from a semi new 1080ti. So those cards bring for me new options. What can i buy today for around 500$ or 600$? what can i buy with 600$ of nvidia/amd product when those are out? That is the difference. I do not care if the new round of 1000+ eur cards are extremely strong nvdia or amd, because i won't buy them.