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EA Origin scans your hard drive/OS/Applications

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Stukov, Aug 25, 2011.

  1. deltatux

    deltatux Ancient Guru

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    Why are people still on this pointless and stupid topic? Sure, in theory they shouldn't scan your machine because of privacy, I completely understand this point as I'm going into computer security ... the only solution to this problem is install a packet filter and filter them out so Microsoft/EA can't get to this data (they are usually sent through HTTP so you can't just simply block the ports).

    OR

    If you're so damn paranoid, format your system and install Linux. Microsoft collects these data from Windows and Office. Stop being cry babies and face the facts that these info are being collected not only by Origin but by other closed source software as well.

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  2. johnyG

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    Yeah...
    Or just not use Origin.


    More of boldfaced lies. First it was Steam. Then it was Google. Now its Microsoft.
    Truth is that no one but EA is arrogant and stupid enough to even try legalizing spying and data mining in its EULA.

    When all this blows over and when EA finally gives in and kills its privacy intruding EULA, think about how you were part of the problem.

    You wanted to play this game sooo badly...
    so badly that you were defending on the Internet right of multi-billion dollar company on a free data mining.
    By making up stuff, like Microsoft does it already.


    BTW...

    I don't give a fvuckety fvuck about my my pregnant porn collection or my personal privacy. And only in this particular case.
    But I very much care about its concept, and peoples right to a privacy.
     
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  3. deltatux

    deltatux Ancient Guru

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    Keep believing that ;). There's way more software that are known to collect the same info but without telling you like Windows. BTW, their EULA's been updated while you've been on an anti-EA rampage ... but I still suspect the software still scans and reports it back home like every other software like Windows via the WGA mechanism.

    deltatux
     
  4. Mufflore

    Mufflore Ancient Guru

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    I expected a more responsible attitude about this from you Deltatux.
    If the slow erosion of your right to privacy doesnt concern you, let those people who it does concern fight the battle for you, instead of taking the piss.

    If nothing is said and nobody stands up to those whos only concern is $, the situation is sure to get worse.
    The time to take a stand is "before" it gets too late.
     
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  5. Redemption80

    Redemption80 Ancient Guru

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    Well best to wait until they actually do some spying, as so far it's just a maybe we will in the EULA, so i will be waiting to see proof of what exactly Origin is doing before making any judgement.

    If it only does it while Origin is running, and it just using my stats as a way to sell me stuff, then i'm fine with that, even though it really has no place in anything but free apps, but since they are a business, then its understandable.

    If it still does so when Origin is closed down, and is being abit too nosey, then it's a different story, but so far we don't know what is happening.
     
  6. deltatux

    deltatux Ancient Guru

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    While privacy has been an issue for quite a long time, I've seen more and more people whine about it here than actually take a stand. This thread has been basically "OMG EA is stealing my info!!!!" when in fact all large corporations do such a thing and it's not just EA. Data mining happens everywhere and is unfortunately a fact of online life.

    The real way to combat this is to use open source software, at least the software developer would be held accountable because the source code is transparent in the way that should someone sneak data mining code, the community would then be able to remove them in a timely manner.

    Boycotting Origin is NOT the answer as Windows itself does the same thing lol.

    Instead of whining, I agree we need to take a stand, but complaining about it is not the way forward. So if people are so paranoid about system parameter data mining, then I would suggest that they stop using closed source software and go open source. I use open source software whenever it's possible but when I can't, I don't complain about what the closed source software does because I CHOSE to use it, it was my conscious decision and by that if it does data mining then I would have to live with it. Plain and simple.

    deltatux
     
  7. Svein_Skogen

    Svein_Skogen Maha Guru

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    Vote. With wallet. EOD.

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  8. Mufflore

    Mufflore Ancient Guru

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    Yet you take the whole point of the demonstration to be from whiners and completely dismiss the case as trivial.
    This is how a case is made against it, on Forums such as this.
    There will always be over the top comments, but that doesnt mean you should dismiss the valid points and only concentrate on the excesses.

    The solution is not to use open source software, it is to stand our ground on what are our rights, yours, your family, children and your friends too.

    It has been pointed out time and again that other major companies do NOT do the same thing, but you are ignoring this.
     
  9. deltatux

    deltatux Ancient Guru

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    Should you wish to take on the corporations/governments, then you would really have to band together. Unfortunately, I can't foresee that the PC masses would band together in enough numbers to alter a large corporation's way of thinking tbh. While I applaud such a stand, I can't see it working, that's why I suggest using open source instead, it's a much more practical goal.

    We've seen many boycott groups come and go on the Internet and they haven't made much of a dent of things happening. If the Origin scanning bothers you very much, then by all means do what is necessary and not use it but I don't think the numbers of boycotters would affect EA's decision unless most of the userbase revolt like PC gamers revolting against Modern Warfare 2 and now servers are now back with Modern Warfare 3.

    Should a mass of gamers do denounce such a privacy invasion stance, then I of course would join in, in denouncing it. Until then, not much you can do tbh.

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  10. Mufflore

    Mufflore Ancient Guru

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    You are still concentrating on one aspect, boycotting.
    This can be effective but not when most people who it will affect are not educated properly in what is actually happening and what it means.

    Bringing it to the attention of the masses and what it entails for the future is key and this is what is happening here.
    The more exposure it gets, the more chance it has of being looked at seriously.
     

  11. deltatux

    deltatux Ancient Guru

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    Well then, this thread's not too effective since it's mostly whining. I would agree education is key, but unfortunately, for the most part it just reads like whining to me.

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  12. Mufflore

    Mufflore Ancient Guru

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    Thats PC forums lol.
    You know this better than most ;)
     
  13. PhazeDelta1

    PhazeDelta1 Moderator Staff Member

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    if people in the US are having a problem with this, then send a complaint to the US Deapartment of Justice. the worse they will tell you is EA is breaking no law. which technically they arent.
     
  14. Mufflore

    Mufflore Ancient Guru

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    And there you hit a crucial part of the issue.
    A change in the law may be required to prevent our rights being subverted by companies that sell highly sought after products.
    We end up held to ransom, perhaps a law change can stop this.

    One thing is for sure, if these problems arent brought to light, nothing will be done about them.
    At a minimum, we might get them to back down from what we (those who care) consider to be intolerable behaviour, by our taking a stand.
     
  15. DesGaizu

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    Yeah but when steam asked to scan my software and hardware I let them as hell its just basic info that anyone can get in a matter of seconds, maybe ea will use the info to better origin and hey who said they won't do stats just like steam.

    To be honest you just sound like a crazy steam fanboi, no proof that origin scans anything beyond software and hardware and the new EULA seems fine to me.

    like others have said if you don't like it don't use it, but don't start making stuff up.
     
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    You can't vote with you wallet, if your not a paying customer, then you have no voice, and are likely making things worse, all your doing is making yourself feel better, but if that is what your aiming for, then knock yourself out.

    Is kinda hard to separate the facts from the fiction in here, many are talking like its already happening, which i have yet to see proof of, and the biggest complaints seem to be coming from people who tend to be big Valve or Activision fans.

    We will see threads like this pop up every week until BF3 appears, wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a Activision's marketing plan for MW3, the fact that only now are all these things coming out, when most of them have been in place for a while is very suspicious.
     
  17. Mufflore

    Mufflore Ancient Guru

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    We do have a voice, its here.
    Forums are probably the only place we can effectively demonstrate.
     
  18. Svein_Skogen

    Svein_Skogen Maha Guru

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    How can it be so hard for people to grasp the idea that someone can be against one company, and not necessarily be FOR their competition?

    Is there a rule somewhere that we _NEED_ to be irrational fanbois of some corporation?

    //Svien
     
  19. Redemption80

    Redemption80 Ancient Guru

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    But is it effective though?
    Maybe a good way to let off steam, but it's not going to change a thing is it?

    If everyone who was against it complainted, then things might change, but most people want BF3 too much, so just won't bother, while others will just boycott it, so won't be heard either.

    Doesn't do much good that EA know that most PC gamers are so pissed off with console ports that they will put up with just about anything to have a game were the PC is the lead platform.
     
  20. PhazeDelta1

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    complaining is one thing, actually doing something about it is another.
     

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