E8600@4.5ghz or Q9650@4ghz for Windows XP reverse sleeper build ?

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E8600@4.5ghz + GTX 470/750ti or Q9650@4ghz + GTX 960 ?

  1. E8600@4.5ghz + GTX 470/750ti

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  2. Q9650@4ghz + GTX 960

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  1. SlCKB0Y_BE

    SlCKB0Y_BE Member

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    yup i know, tbh i kinda rage bought it after having tried to remount the aerocool one about half a dozen times without thinking much about it,
    it's only a couple days later i realised there was a reason i didn't went with a enermax one in the first place... silly me.


    oh well, if it doesn't work i might aswell keep it for a next build, found out the last generation of chipset/cpu supported by windows XP was the X79/4790K,
    there was recently a discount on aliexpress on GFX cards and got myself a pair of gigabyte 960 for 65€ each,
    the 4790k price is 150€ but motherboards go up to 200€ for a good gigabyte sli enabled one, will wait for prices to drop a bit more i think.

    or i also already have a X58a-OC mother board with 3x2gb of 2000mhz corsair dominator ram, the 6 core 980x is about 100€, can be oc'ed pretty well over 4ghz on watercooling,
    and should work nicely with the 960 sli according to the bottleneck calculator 2 :

    https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Core_i7-980X/GeForce_GTX_960/0dY0Oepn/8/100/

    guess i can always get the EP45/E8600 with the 750ti in the older case, the only problem it had was that i couldn't fit the 470 in it but the 750ti should be alright.
    can still be a somewhat decent web browsing/HTPC machine, if i'm not mistaken the 750ti should even play 4K movies without problems.

    i know it might sound silly to go to such end to build a pc running on a out dated OS, but it's really just about nostalgia from what i consider the golden age of pc gaming,
    the only point of making it so powerfull is to be able to really showcase the games in their whole glory,
    and also kinda to see what i would have been like to play them on a nasa computer back then ;)
     
  2. SlCKB0Y_BE

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    yet another update, received the Enermax AIO today, and guess what ... it freakin' fit perfectly :p
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    temperature are 10° lower than with the Aerocool one, still have a difference of t° between the two cores tho for some reasons.
    now just need to receive both the 750ti and the 960s from aliexpress as the 470 even on idle warm up the top mounted cpu rad.

    then i'll bench both the e8600 and the q9650, tbh for single core games 4ghz is already plenty, and even if the 750ti is perfect for games up to 2005/2006,
    onward it start to struggle a bit with super sampling on more demanding games. i'd rather be able to crank everything to the max for games up to 2010.

    also received the logitech speakers, quality is nothing to write home about but heh, acceptable for the price i guess.

    here's a pic of the setup, sorry didn't had the speakers yet [​IMG] [​IMG]

    and here a video from the interior of the case :



    (ps : yes i know my wallaper is ugly as sin, recently moved and haven't refurbished that room yet, currently being used as storage for my pc junkyard)

    last thing i did was split the SSD in two equal partition and install a windows 10 dual boot, this way i can leave winxp completly offline and use win10 to swap files from my NAS whever i need.
    might replace it with linux mint later on if ever win10 become too demanding for my little 4gb of ram, or might upgrade to 8 if i ever happen to find 4 matching 2gb sticks.
     
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  3. Raserian

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    It's definitely a cool build, however you seem to be getting XP on purpose as a supported OS on it, because by the time the rigs like this did exist it was already well into vista/7 era. Higher end core2 duos and quads were already sold new with either vista or 7 and only those who wanted XP had kept it. In my (humble) opinion, this machine begs for Windows 7 to be run on it.
     
  4. SlCKB0Y_BE

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    oh don't worry i know it's clearly overkill for xp, but as i said the only reason i'm going for XP is EAX games that got disabled with every version after windows XP.
    also it run older 16bit era games without any problem, while being much more reliable than previous msdos based version of Zindozs.
    not to mention i think it's the microsoft OS that had the longest life and for which people including me have the most nostalgia.

    and tbh, by the time i'm done with this rig, meaning after i upgrade to 4790k+960sli, it gonna make even less sense to still run xp on it ... but hey who care about such details ? ;)

    again i'm just building this computer for fun, once i'm done i'll probably try to build the ultimate win98se 3DFX pc in a HAF-X or the ultimate MSDOS pc in a chieftec dragon for the lulz :p
    funny enough i happen to still have both right in the corner of the room behind me ;)
     
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    It would be interesting to know windows xp performance on 4790K. Have you tried that yet?
     
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    if you want an idea, here's a vid from PhilsComputerLab where he test the 4790 @ stock speed + single gtx 960


    keep in mind he's only using 4x anti aliasing, once you go for 2x2 supersampling on top of it, GPU along with CPU usage tend to climb quite a bit.

    i checked the prices on ali express for the cpu/mobo and they are still pretty steep :

    around 150€ for the 4790k, from 150€ for the mobo to 250€ for gigabyte x79-ud7, not the cheapest by any means, but heh, overkill all the way am i right ?
    also i need to fit the x-fi without choking the GPUs.

    keeping an eye on the prices hoping they'll drop a bit with time, but will defenetly do the upgrade someday as i already bought the 2 GTX 960 in prevision for that purpose.
    might be lucky and find it for cheap on ebay or something.

    next upgrade will probably be a new SSD, currently using a 120gb as system drive but turn out 1to would be about enough to fit all the retro games i wanna use,
    having pretty much no load times in games would be another great yet cheap upgrade ^^
     
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    You can get them for cheaper if skipping OC capabilities, even a low end i3 of first generation is likely complete overkill for anything from XP era. However I am looking forward to reading about your build once you do it.
     
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    well the entire point would be to make it overkill ^^
    but funny enough, XP era games can be more demanding than you'd think once you start increasing the resolution up to full hd.
    for exemple i reinstalled Unreal Tournament 3, well even if the GPU manage to keep 60fps the CPU is pretty much locked to 100% usage.

    also i might be mistaken but it seem like games from the single core era like Return to Castle Wolfenstein are able to spread cpu usage on both core, or perhaps it's it the CPU doing it on it's own,
    but same deal once you start enabling supersampling x2 cpu usage get much higher than i thought for such old games.

    needless the say the dualcore will not last for long, shame as i had managed to get it stable at 4.5ghz with only 1.25v Vcore...oh well ;)

    i might keep it and use it later on a windows 98 build if possible, think i saw it done on philscomputerlabs, it'll only use 1 core but it should shred those 3dfx games pretty darn hard ;)
     
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    Those performance problems are mostly related to different optimizations on older games. That's why they don't work so well even when they are not generally demanding.
     
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    older windows 98 era games work pretty great, it's just cpu usage that is a bit higher than i though given they were made to run on old pentium,
    making me think CPU usage goes hand in hand with the resolution increase compared to back then.

    to be honest if i was to stop to games up to 2008/2009, 90% of them can run 60fps locked, but heh, i'd like some headroom for supersampling and ambiant occlusion.
    would defenetly already have swapped for the quad core if it wasn't for the 470 who is warming up my whole build, with the CPU @ 4.5ghz it already idle between 50 and 55°,
    74° in burn test and somewhere in the middle while gaming, but far too much for my liking.

    should get the 750ti within a week, given the max temp under load is 25° lower at least i should defenetly see an improvement,
    hope it'll make enough of a difference for me to get the quad core up to 4ghz once i get the 960.

    that being said i start to wonder if i did the right move going with aerocool fans, the look nice for the price, the remote controled 6 fan hub was perfect for my need, but one of the fan is already making noise and need to be sent back (yup, after the dead on arrival aerocool AIO), needless to say my first impression of the brand is pretty meh.

    i bought another 3 fans kit as spare just in case, but if i see like a couple more crap out within 6 months i'll know i got ripped.
    with the transport fee and the 3rd kit included, the money i spared not going for enermax right away is getting pretty darn slim ...
     

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    kept tweaking around and found out load line calibration enabled was also responsible for warming up the CPU by not dropping the core voltage along with the multiplier, eh, the more you know...

    managed to get the E8600@4.66ghz 1.3v Vcore without it going over 70° under load and i start to feel like the 9650 should be alright with the 960 gtx.
    tho looking back i should defenetly have gone for a 360mm AIO mounted on the intake fans like i did on my main build.

    also checked what x79 motherboard i should get, and it seem the GA-x79-UD3 should be ok, tho the UD5 have 12 phases power supply and same color scheme as the 960, but 100€ more...
    still pondering but i think i will order the 4790k+motherboard early next month.
     

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