Okay, fair enough. I'm not attempting to create a "logic loop" where my argument can't be defeated. I made an assumption that there are things that have happened that meet two criteria. One being they are considered "supernatural", and two being that they are difficult or impossible to explain, and were witnessed by several people. That is probably a false assumption, as it's based on personal anecdotes. Rest assured though, that doesn't mean I'm saying every single claim should be assumed to be true. Skepticism is a good outlook. I'm even skeptic of the things that I personally experienced, which is why I hinted heavily that it may be a brain glitch.
What grandeur? I'm not saying I'm some special person. All I'm saying is that precognition is a real phenomena and can happen. It probably happens to many people who dismiss or rationalize it away as something else. It can't be totally dismissed just because a bunch of charlatans try to run with it and claim they can do it at will for anyone at any time. Some of them , however, may have much more limited abilities. Who knows? I've never found it to be useful or helpful. It's nothing that has ever gained me any advantage and I don't see how it could since I never know which dreams are the prophetic ones until years later. It just happens on rare occasions. For that reason, I can never dismiss all psychic phemomena as being nonsense because I know that at least one facet of it is real in a pretty limited way. I have severe doubts as to the existence of ghosts. Why is that? Because I have never seen one and nobody I have ever known has either. I can't totally dismiss their existence however.
There is also this fact. You can not prove or disprove supernatural events by natural means. Trying to do so is an exercise in futility.
I was just thinking about Miss Cleo the other day after I had played GTA Vice City and remembered she had done the voice to http://gta.wikia.com/Auntie_Poulet And then this Medium thread pops up out of nowhere and someone in this thread mentions Miss Cleo. So therefor I must have strong mental powers and actually telepathically helped make this thread (obviously). There's a difference between a "hmm, I was just thinking about that too" and a "I must have super powers". I mean, I've heard of people like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Dyer going on about this sort of "you just have to think and then the universe will make it happen" stuff, but, I don't see people saving themselves from Ebola that way. Everyone has had odd dreams and deja vu but I don't think anyone in this thread can say they regularly chat with the dead or know where some missing person is held up. We're not "mildly psychic", our experiences are so mild and mundane it can't even be used as an comparable example to someone who claims to talk to the dead and see into the future at will. It's a forum of mainly 99% guys. This place would be weird if it wasn't run like a firehouse kitchen. So far though this thread is barely bullbusting. While I can agree that religion can be humbling, these so called mediums and physics who apparently have all this deeper insight are very ego driven. For the sake of discussion though, let's say all these bad examples of obvious fraud or ego driven mediums are only giving a bad name to legit mediums who aren't in it for the fame or money. So that aside, how can anyone prove anyone is a psychic? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project And those are findings of people who dumped millions and some 25 years into seeing what was up. Less Snowden or some other whistle blower has something to say different (meaning, if there were actual findings they'd be leaked in this age).
Take the word psychic, which can have many different connotations and replace it with a more specific term, precognition. That is what I know to be a real thing.. I also never claimed to be any more psychic than anyone else. Maybe everyone has the ability but most ignore or dismiss it. I'm saying that precognition is very possibly the force behind what is known as Deja Vu. Going back to the title of the thread, Do you believe in Psychics or Mediums? If you mean the people who are making money by claiming they can do all kinds of strange things at will then NO I do not. I do however believe that there is some limited truth behind it all.
Never heard of him, but I'll help you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce#Criticism "evidence for Cayce's powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books" Newspaper, as in tabloids. Affidavits and testimonials... obviously from people who were fooled by this con man. Anecdotes, well ain't that just the point of anecdotal evidence. And books, not a textbook you'd find in science class I bet you. The further back you look the more easily fooled people were, 70 years is a long time.
I think I agree What I meant about the insulting was basically OP started this post with a question and then when DCH48 answered yes, he got ridiculed for it. Its like posting a thread in the forums asking, "do you like AMD cards?" and then negatively responding when they do. That is just straight up trolling and not cool IMO. As far as your Ms. Cleo coincedence, that is way different then the type of dreams that I am discussing. Ms. Cleo is prevalent in our culture and most people have seen her on TV and more recently in GTA. Not all that spooky. I'm talking about dreams that are very specific and hard to dismiss. As far as people who claim to be psychic, mediums, seers, sages, soothsayer or any sort of diviner I believe they are false in the context of today. It is just unscrupulous people taking advantage of uneducated or grieving people. Whatever the case is they are being taken for a ride. Although, as a Christian, there is a story in the bible which I believe. Saul, the Hebrew king, was a bad dude and his adviser (a good dude) died. Saul was in a bad situation so he went to see a witch to get advice from Samuel. Well, it worked and the message wasn't good. Samuel said something to the effect of, why did you wake me up?! you're going to lose your kingdom to David(the little shepherd boy who killed Goliath and the dude he was mad jealous of) and also you'll be dead by tomorrow (or some other very near time I can't remember and I'm paraphrasing.) Well sure enough it came to pass. What I was hoping people would infer from my post is that when I have the weird dreams, it just happens. It is like seeing a sundog or double rainbow. I can't control it or predict it or make it happen. If anyone really wants to investigate further, come to Florida as there is a town here called Cassadega. Everyone who lives there claims to be a psychic or a medium of some sort. Just google it for more info. It is a strange place.
what about the shadow man?? had some dreams about the shadow man. I had some fu**k up dreams that even therapist cant explain. like walking in trailer home and then go through a door and ending up in a factory or another house and turning around to find the door is gone and its just a wall....freaking confusing.
Actually that's completely wrong, OP (me) asked about belief in psychics and mediums, DCH48 chimed in saying he had supernatural psychic powers because a dream he had 5 years before an event actually came true, and that these powers he has are 100% true, that anyone who says otherwise is completely wrong Completely different to my original question so don't start twisting peoples words around
There is more than just anecdotal evidence for Cayce's abilities. I would not consider him a con man in the same category with the fake seers, mediums, and fortune tellers. He very well may have been genuine.
That's not really what I said. I said that routinely dismissing the possibility of precognition is foolish because certain things can happen in a limited and not on demand manner and that I knew that from personal experience. Somebody else said "Nobody has those abilities" and that is not completely correct. It also wasn't "A" dream. It has been at least a dozen.
Set aside my disdain for Wikipedia. The Criticism section is just as informatively written as all the other sections. If you take the merits of just the Wikipedia article, everything amounts to a "he said, she said" argument. The reason I brought him up is the simple fact that he is the most documented psychic of the 20th century. Yet all the arguments amount to he said she said. There is no empirical evidence casting him as a charlatan beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The thing with Cayce is that all his prophecies were made while he was asleep and they were recorded by other people. He is known as the "sleeping prophet". I would think it would be pretty hard to con people in your sleep.
Not Quite He said he knows them to be true. This is exactly the same as believing in something. Its just semantics. Can you believe in something you're unsure of? He never said everyone who doesn't believe is 100% wrong, you inferred that. Most of the rest of the thread ran around in circles on how you can't prove it, which is common knowledge. You also can't prove every experience is fake, which is something you claim. That is just as foolish as what you've accused him of. Hence my first post asking everyone share ideas as I find this interesting and see no need to throw stones.
what about the ability to subconsciously calculate variables in life and predict things. every action has a reaction. kinda like bioshock infinite
Well.... There was that octopus that kept on predicting the correct outcomes of world cup matches. Personally, I believe in very mild telepathy.... IE singing a song in your head only to hear the cashier sing it.
(To the believers) If psychics are real - tell me why this $1m prize has not been won in 50 years http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html
